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    Having been through over 50 Canadian winters, I can see why you'd rather live in Sydney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuff View Post
    I think all the people in Europe should check http://www.macodirect.de/
    Their prices are pretty good and I bought film from them and B&H.
    Not really that good.. Delta 400 in bulk 100' (30.5 meters) is 75 eur PLUS shipping from Maco… Shipping from Germany to France is about 14-18 euros.

    Same stuff; Adorama + USPS Priority Intl. : 92.00 USD = 67 EUR

    Next time I'll drop two of those 100' rolls in the box, will stay under the max weight for the same shipping rate, and save even more...

    Sad but true!



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    Well it seems that jimbop from the U.K. on another thread believes that he has figured out film pricing. He intends to buy it from Freestyle in the U.S. instead of U.K. retailers! The savings may not be as big as he hopes but I wish him well and I detect some small signs that the massive price differential between the U.S. and the U.K. and Europe is beginning to be appreciated by a bigger number of APUGers than I had previously detected.

    So far I have yet to see any kind of rigorous defence that justifies this difference in price on straight incontrovertible economic facts.

    However unless some individual or company can undertake mass importation and take advantage of the economics of scale the benefits to the average user's film and other materials volume may mean that the effort of ordering from the U.S. is not matched or barely matched by the reward.

    That conclusion will also be the one drawn by the manufacturer(s) and in a nutshell means or so they think, that it will never be more than a small irritation to them.

    However I do hope that this rise in user concern over price differentials will at least make the manufacturer(s) think.

    I will not however hold my breath

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    Thanks Pentaxuser and Sirius... it was reading this thread in the first place that got me thinking about how the disparity in film prices might play out across other consumables too.

    Having read through the tomes of information provided by HMRC, I reckon that you're assertion that the savings might not be that great are correct.

    It would seem that the only way to benefit from ordering from overseas would be to order in small quantities (you pay customs duty on stated order values of >£135 and VAT on anything over £15).
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    Higher taxes, duties, etc. Europe has to pay for its free healthcare somehow.

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    When I was in the UK, and considering buying Bike(motorcycle) gear -helmets, riding suit etc.,, I was shocked to see everything cost twice as much as it did in the US(all things being manufactured in China). Soon figured out the reason - retailers basically removed the $ sign next to the price and substituted the £ sign. Accounted for most of the difference.
    I saw similar things on camera related goods.(although less that way)
    I suspect the same has happened with the film. 5$ becomes 5£.

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    Quote Originally Posted by analoguey View Post
    When I was in the UK, and considering buying Bike(motorcycle) gear -helmets, riding suit etc.,, I was shocked to see everything cost twice as much as it did in the US(all things being manufactured in China). Soon figured out the reason - retailers basically removed the $ sign next to the price and substituted the £ sign. Accounted for most of the difference.
    I saw similar things on camera related goods.(although less that way)
    I suspect the same has happened with the film. 5$ becomes 5£.

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    I've seen this on small value items - especially items that cost "1" (whether $, £, €).

    European countries rely more on VAT tax which increases the cost of items where the US relies more on income taxes. Plus sales taxes, but they are not collected on mail order (yet). On top of that, you're looking at US retailers (B&H, Freestyle) that are significantly cheaper than local US retailers.

    I remember "way back when" that Japanese cameras were cheaper in the US than in Japan (when they were still manufactured in Japan).
    "Far more critical than what we know or do not know is what we do not want to know." - Eric Hoffer

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    However I do hope that this rise in user concern over price differentials will at least make the manufacturer(s) think.
    I would be very surprised if the wholesale price of materials ex-works from any manufacturer varies that much no matter where the product ends up. May be some scales for volumes, but I doubt different prices for different markets.

    The difference in end-user price is certainly going to be the local factors including the elements that cover overheads and this will be different in each country. Similarly sales tax/VAT are treated differently.

    Ultimately the manufacturers shift the same amount of product wherever it is bought from.

    We must be careful what we wish for. At the moment we have some interested retailers who are offering a selection of products from US, UK, EU, RU. If we pick and choose where we buy the volume from to the extent that these retailers can't cover their overhead, then we lose the ability to have local easy access to an interesting range of products, and we could end up with the choice of importing or buying from the likes of amazon. I thing Aus/NZ is in a far worse situation than UK as far as I can tell in this respect.

    We have already lost the local high-street shop to on-line. We risk losing the local (country) on-line as well if we are not careful.

    Yes, this is a philosophical point of view and when it comes to spending your own money, it is sometimes difficult to be altruistic, but "use it or lose it" is as true today as it's ever been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Klein View Post
    Higher taxes, duties, etc. Europe has to pay for its free healthcare somehow.
    I would respectfully contend that this catch-all statement may be too simplistic. Tis true we have a VAT(value added tax) in the U.K. of 20% and many European countries are similar but the VAT v U.S. state sales taxes which are lower doesn't appear to account for the difference. As far as personal taxation is concerned which does clearly help to pay for free healthcare, I cannot see the link with higher Ilford, Kodak etc prices

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    I still find it hard to understand why so many in the US use "free health care" as a term of disapprobation (if not abuse)

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