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    Delta 3200 and minimizing grain

    I shot some 120 D3200 and processed it in Microphen per Ilford's recommendations...came up a bit grainy for my tastes:
    http://www.attackblob.com/irc/kittytongue.jpg
    Any suggestions to knock down the grain a bit? Or is this as good as it gets? I know that by doing it myself I'm getting less grain than when my local lab was doing it so I'm hoping to get a bit finer yet.
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    At EI 3200? That's actually pretty good in terms of grain, I think. But I've only ever shot it in 35mm.

    I'd be interested to hear if anyone has any ideas, myself. D3200 is known for having big, "popcorn" grain. I can't think of ways to minimize it, really.

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    You could try it in DD-X but having never dev. in Microphen I can't say if it's better or worse. I know that in 35mm if I rate it at 1600 and dev in DD-X if can get an 8x10 enlargement without too much grain and some VERY nice edge effects. Do you absolutely need it at 3200?

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    Quote Originally Posted by etriplett
    You could try it in DD-X but having never dev. in Microphen I can't say if it's better or worse. I know that in 35mm if I rate it at 1600 and dev in DD-X if can get an 8x10 enlargement without too much grain and some VERY nice edge effects. Do you absolutely need it at 3200?
    When I'm shooting 120 I need all the speed I can get...I'm an available light junkie when I'm indoors. The linked image was from a Bronica S2 with the 75/2.8 Nikkor wide open at 1/30th. In a rangefinder I can go at 1600 or 800 no problem...

    Any details on the DD-X processing - times/agitation?

    Thanks!
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    My best suggestion, if you want to cut down on the grain......don't shoot at 3200EI, by nature, this type of speed equates to grain... I would have to say, for an EI3200 shot, this looks quite good! EI 3200 is what we used to shoot for B&W newspaper pop shots, where the image mattered more than the grain!

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    Good Evening, Czeni,

    I've only used Delta 3200 in 35mm. I processed in HC-110B, if I recall correctly, and was pleasantly surprised by the grain structure. It seemed (long-term subjective memory here) about the same as or better than the Tri-X I used back in the '60's. I got good 5 x 7's and acceptable 8 x 10's from it.

    Konical (also a Koni-Omega addict)

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    I will ask the guy that does my film developing (yes, I am lazy) what mix he uses because my 120 Delta P3200 comes out pretty grain free. I am shooting 6X6 an usually enlarge to about 11X11 and there is WAY less grain. In fact, I have been contemplating ways to get more grain for an assignment in my photo class. One thing that might help reduce the grain might be to shoot at a faster speed. Come to think of it I had plenty of light so I was shooting at 1/250 sec to 1/500 sec. That is probably the difference. But, I will post after finding out how my film is developed.

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    My only experience with Delta 3200 has been in 35mm, rated at 3200 and developed in DD-X for Ilford's recommended time. Tough to compare 35mm to 120, but mentally selecting out a 35mm-sized area, your scan appears to be slightly more grainy than what I got with 35mm.
    [COLOR=SlateGray]"You can't depend on your eyes if your imagination is out of focus." -Mark Twain[/COLOR]

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    Pyro with pushed Delta 3200

    I use Deta 3200 pushed to 6400 for some dance photos. I processed the film in PMK and WD2D+. I got some nice results with it.
    My records say I did 9 minutes in 68 degrees.
    Like I said it came out ok.
    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit"
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCarthy
    In fact, I have been contemplating ways to get more grain for an assignment in my photo class.
    Try it in Rodinal and you'll have all the grain you could want. I developed according to times at http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html and times from Les McLeans book Creatrive Black & White Photography (3200 at 3200 in Rodinal 1to10 for 10 minutes, 20degrees C.) Both work but I think Les' times will give more grain plus a slightly higher base fog but your negs still easily print.

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