Ansco 130 and film developing
I had bought some Photographers Fomulary 130 developer (I believe a copy of the Ansco 130 formula) for print developing but want to try it as a film developer, both with standard agitation and stand developing. I have read that the Ansco formula can be used in this way and some have had success. If anyone has some times to experiment with I'd appreciate a note. I'll be using Efke 100 in 4x5.
Last edited by waynecrider; 03-17-2005 at 05:44 PM. Click to view previous post history.
It might be worth doing a search for Agfa 130 its on page 20 of their "Agfa Formulas for Photographic Use", published by Agfa Ansco of Bingham in 1941.
It's listed as a Universal Paper developer.
hi wayne -
i have had good results using ansco 130 as a film developer as well as a paper developer. i stumbled upon this by accident when i thought it was the formulation for gaf universal developer, and started using it the way i would have gaf universal. ( semi-exhausted developer ) 1:5 68-70º for about 7 mins. i later learned (here on apug actually --- http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/5999-ansco-130-a.html ) that it was NOT gaf universal, but just the same i still process film with it anyways
i have processed tmax 100, tmax 400, ilford hp5 and old tri-x as well as creativ200 ( foma ?). most of what i processed has been sheet film and i develop by inspection, so even though i suggest 7 mins, i might be off a little bit. tom hoskinson has experience using it as a stand develop too ( i think ?) he might have been using a 1:10 dilution, but i am not quite sure.
i don't have experince using ekfe film, and i am not sure what you processing methods are ( i am kind of reckless to be honest ), so you might want to use my times and temperatures with a big fat grain of salt
Ansco 120 works well, with Pan F+ at least:
120 roll, 500ml of Ansco 120, 1:19 dilution - 2 inversions
each 2min. 12minutes 73 to 75 F. Dan
J, Tom mentioned using it at a dilution of 1:20 but I don't know if for semi stand or stand developing. I was hopeing he would show up here.
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Originally Posted by waynecrider
i can't seem to find the PM he sent me regarding the times and temps he used. i remember he did some tests and recorded his results, but i seemed to have purged some of my PMs and it is lost in cyberspace. or maybe one of those inktomi-slurp-robots ate my PM by mistake
if i come across it, i'll let you know!
Originally Posted by waynecrider
I tested Ansco 130 at the 1:20 dilution and found that it worked quite well as a film developer. I will dig out my time/temperature and density data and repost it.
I ran these tests to satisfy myself about questions that had been raised about the suitability of Ansco-130 as a Universal Paper and Film developer.
I did not try it with stand development, as I recall, but I expect that it would work well in that mode.
I also tested Ansco 130 at a dilution of 1:10 (I found it too energetic for my tastes at that dilution).
Another interesting Glycin based developer that worked very well for me is Agfa 8 (intended for use as a film developer). It is reputed to be a good stand developer. I have only used Agfa 8 as a minimum agitation developer.
Everything is analog - even digital :D
Tom, is there a formula floating around for the Agfa 8? Also, thanks for the effort to post your times with the 130.
Originally Posted by Tom Hoskinson
Ansco 130 for Film?
I have a friend who is trying to use Ansco 130 as a film developer. I think he was gonna mix it 1:5 or 1:7. I was wondering if anyone has tried this and may have any information on how it works, development times etc...
There isn't anything to be gained from this. Other than using a particularly fine paper developer to try to make a negative.
I personally believe that glycin is magic, and that 130 is a fine place to examine that magic in detail, but this is a case of applying the right answer to the wrong question.
All it will prove is that it CAN be done, but developers like Rodinal, DK50, and HC-110 will do a better job. Ansco 130 has nothing to offer film.
If he wants to experiment with glycin, the best developer for film is FX2 ( certain magic ), Edwal 10 ( like D-76, with superb highlights ), or D-78.
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