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    gold toner question

    Hello,
    I noticed that Nelson's gold toner should be used - according to instructions - at a temperature of about 40 ° C. I have some problems in keeping so hot my developing tray. Anyone has any experience about using such toner? Does it works also at lower temperatures?
    Any information much appreciated
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    I mixed it up and have only used it once so far. I tried it on Azo and I definitely was'nt at 40c, maybe 30c or so. It did shift it to a very warm red/brown tone after 10mins or so. I used the recipe on the formulas page on unblinkingeye.com. The reason i tried Azo was cos Nelsons Gold was supposed to be good for warm tones on chloride paper. I have'nt tried it on anything else yet, although i was wondering if it might work with Salt prints or Albumen prints too perhaps.

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    it can work at room temp, but it will take a much longer time.

    We place a tray with the toner in another larger tray with hot water.

    be sure you fix after toning with a fixer that contains a hardener as the toner is hard on the paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles
    Hello,
    I noticed that Nelson's gold toner should be used - according to instructions - at a temperature of about 40 ° C. I have some problems in keeping so hot my developing tray. Anyone has any experience about using such toner? Does it works also at lower temperatures?
    Any information much appreciated
    Warm regards
    Antonio
    One method to use is to place an electric heating pad under the toner tray. Be sure to have the pad plugged into a ground fault outlet.

    Don Bryant

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewfrith
    I mixed it up and have only used it once so far. I tried it on Azo and I definitely was'nt at 40c, maybe 30c or so. It did shift it to a very warm red/brown tone after 10mins or so. I used the recipe on the formulas page on unblinkingeye.com. The reason i tried Azo was cos Nelsons Gold was supposed to be good for warm tones on chloride paper. I have'nt tried it on anything else yet, although i was wondering if it might work with Salt prints or Albumen prints too perhaps.
    Andrew,

    That's an interesting question! I've not made albumen prints but from most of the modern ones I've seen, the prints are very warm toned to begin with, but the idea is interesting.

    Don Bryant

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    thank you for the answers. I wanted to try it with centennial pop...I will see if I can use an electric dish warmer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perikles
    Does it works also at lower temperatures?
    I read one fellow's post where in he says he is happy using it at
    room temperature as long as he has an hour or so's time. I would
    suppose he gives the print or prints an agitation now and then.

    I've been checking out REPTILE HEAT PADS. I think they may
    be just the ticket for Nelson's or any other up to 100F
    need. Dan

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    I'm just curious but does this high temp requirement apply to ALL gold toners or just Nelson's formula?

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    Even at high temp, Nelson's is slow. It takes about 20 minutes to fully tone the papers I've used--mostly Ilford MG Warmtone.

    I use the tray-within-a-tray of hot water and change out the hot water often.

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    i guess nelson GT is slow on MGW because ilford mgw is slow with many toners. I am wrong?
    as far as i know the temperature requirement applies only to nelson formula.
    Anyway, saturday I will try with an electric dish warmer, I dont know where to find reptile heating pads, and I dont want to keep prints in it for 1 h

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