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    From my perspective, it seems that only parts of the sky are falling. Old line manufacturers, it seems to me, were caught by the disharmonic convergence of various market factors, including digital. Those who can restructure their overhead, preferably without legacy elements of that overhead, will do well with the new market reality. Those who can't, won't. But, I'm confident that enterprising capitalists will fill any viable void.
    [COLOR=SlateGray]"You can't depend on your eyes if your imagination is out of focus." -Mark Twain[/COLOR]

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    We should not loose sight that be it bankruptcy, closing, or whatever the people who own these plants want to recoup some money, the only way to do so is by selling the machines.....what are film coating machines good for? who would buy them? I get the feeling that someone somewhere would buy them and continue making film. Hell, if I had the money I would, I think Mexico is a perfect place for making film, great weather, cheap labor and close to the US....

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    I think they can be used for other purposes. I don't know if Ilford still offers custom coating services, but they were at one time.
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    I've been on a trip so maybe am not up-to-date on reports via APUG. However, look at this report on Kodak http://economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3974772

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge
    We should not loose sight that be it bankruptcy, closing, or whatever .....
    what are film coating machines good for? who would buy them? I get the feeling that someone somewhere would buy them and continue making film. Hell, if I had the money I would, I think Mexico is a perfect place for making film, great weather, cheap labor and close to the US....
    Actually Jorge your entirely right . . . . as usual :-)

    I live in a Carpet town, and my father ran a company that employed well over 4000+. It went into recievership 10+ years ago (my father had long retired, it was profitable but the owner went personally bankrupt, and it was too large for a competitor to take over) but all the looms are still working somewhere else. Another company closed and the entire palnt went to India.

    So yes there's potential for coating plant to be bought cheap if companies do go and there are plenty of unemployed emulsion chemists around who have a wealth of experience.

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    I agree with you Ian, things change but life continues.

    Both in your area and the midlands as a whole have seen industries come and go, however many of the skills and products have not been lost from the market. They just have new names and are made in other parts of the world. I'm sure there will be plenty of places that will be more than happy to supply a market where there is a known demand.

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    There must be a lot of industrial film and paper making machinery coming onto the market, not to mention people, recently unemployed, with the expertise to operate it. Also an existing international distribution network.
    It would seem that someone could make something of that.
    That is called grain. It is supposed to be there.
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    All this gloom and doom.....I call this Photo Marketing Syndrom. PMS give it time and it too shall pass!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flotsam
    There must be a lot of industrial film and paper making machinery coming onto the market, not to mention people, recently unemployed, with the expertise to operate it. Also an existing international distribution network.
    It would seem that someone could make something of that.
    Sure. Given unlimited time and money, we can accomplish anything.

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    There is a way to make your own film and paper. There are people working on this to preserve our hobby.

    Unfortunately, color is probably beyond the realm of possibility for us, but black and white films and papers matching those of the 30s and 40s are possible, perhaps even some from the 50s.

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