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    Stupid is as stupid does...

    Ok. Stupid amateur photography mistake #653...

    Yesterday, I was out playing with my son's Canon TL. I had loaded it yesterday with HP5. So far, so good. Used my handheld meter and fired off a few shots...no problem.

    Grabed the same camera and my Minolta, today and ran to take a few shots of a local farm. (I should have known better because it was really, REALLY overcast) Set my meter back to 50, because I never use anything but PanF in his Canon. HP5 always goes in the Minolta..."Are you starting to see the picture?"

    Yep. Metered about 12 frames worth at iso 50 in stead of 400.

    Now what? About four or five frames were exposed normally and the balance were, shall be say slightly overexposed??? Now those four or five were exposed in fairly bright circumstances. So, there may be an overage issue with them as well.

    The questions are:

    Do I expose the rest of the film at 50? And, if so, can I save it in development (pulling, I think)

    Or, do I expose the rest at 400 and develop normally and hope for the best on the middle frames?

    I am planning to develop in Rodinal.

    Any help/suggestions would be most welcome...

    (Maybe this should have gon in the "DOH!" thread...)

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    Just shoot the rest at 50 and develop. I'll bet they're dense, but I would also bet that they print fine. Normal development and see what happens. tim

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    Ilford's datasheet for HP5, exposing at an EI of 50, suggests Perceptol stock @ 20C for 9 minutes - however, good luck finding Perceptol for the next few months until they start making it again! Suggested time is 11mins for EI 200-400, so perhaps pulling your Rodinal dev time by about 15% will help. They don't mention any other developer. If you assume the EI of HP5+ is probably closer to 200 you are only two stops out...

    Good luck, Bob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyk49
    Ok. Stupid amateur photography mistake #653...

    Yesterday, I was out playing with my son's Canon TL. I had loaded it yesterday with HP5. So far, so good. Used my handheld meter and fired off a few shots...no problem.

    Grabed the same camera and my Minolta, today and ran to take a few shots of a local farm. (I should have known better because it was really, REALLY overcast) Set my meter back to 50, because I never use anything but PanF in his Canon. HP5 always goes in the Minolta..."Are you starting to see the picture?"

    Yep. Metered about 12 frames worth at iso 50 in stead of 400.

    Now what? About four or five frames were exposed normally and the balance were, shall be say slightly overexposed??? Now those four or five were exposed in fairly bright circumstances. So, there may be an overage issue with them as well.

    The questions are:

    Do I expose the rest of the film at 50? And, if so, can I save it in development (pulling, I think)

    Or, do I expose the rest at 400 and develop normally and hope for the best on the middle frames?

    I am planning to develop in Rodinal.

    Any help/suggestions would be most welcome...

    (Maybe this should have gon in the "DOH!" thread...)

    No shoot the rest at the 50 ASA the do the opposite of pushing, calculate the time reduction. the differential should be on the the web, then correct for 3 stops under exposed. 50 100 200 400 right

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    if you use a speed reducing dev like perceptol stock and then pull...but youll get VERY flat negs. Print on condenser if poss at hard grade for seperation. If no joy on perceptol stock, anyone know af any speed reducers available easily?

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    quote: "then correct for 3 stops under exposed. 50 100 200 400 right"

    Nope would be three stops over exposed.

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    Thanks guys!

    I've never pushed or pulled film development before, so this may turn out to be somewhat fun.

    As soon as I shoot the remaining frames, we'll see where it goes.

    Am I wrong? Doesn't Rodinal kick up sharpness a bit more than other developers; thereby keeping them from going as flat as they might???

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyk49
    Thanks guys!

    I've never pushed or pulled film development before, so this may turn out to be somewhat fun.

    As soon as I shoot the remaining frames, we'll see where it goes.

    Am I wrong? Doesn't Rodinal kick up sharpness a bit more than other developers; thereby keeping them from going as flat as they might???
    Done confuse edge acuteness with contrast. Keeping them from going flat would be contrast.
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    Just open the camera in a darkroom and take out the 12 frames and put it on a spool and develope it the best way to salvage what you have from what has been suggested. The film is on the take up spool. Pull a little extra film out of the cannister so you don't ruin what you have and have enough to load the balance of the film. Just press the release button and pull the film off the spool and immediately put it into a tank. You can develope it at your leisure. Obviously all this has to be in the dark. I just did this the other day when I wanted to test a few shots on a partial roll with a different developer I had not used before. Did this make any sense?
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    I forgot to add that you cut the film with a scissor while it is in the camera.
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