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    I use the same Ilford Fb in semi matte warm tone, and felt the same about the blacks. I single filter print and split filter print with it. I have found my way to get the blacks that I want.

    I print to get all the shadow detail I want, develop and dry, then once I have a collection of 20-50 prints and selenium tone 1:19, at room temp, for about a minute or two, until I see the rich black I want.

    I hope this works for you. If not, when I ask for ideas in the darkroom I like to try each one that I get. Being in the dark is better than being in front of a computer.

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    I use Photographer's Formulary BW-65 paper developer on the MG-FB (VC)... after air drying and mounting, I also steam the print to add a little more to the blacks...
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    I agree that MGIV does not give up its blacks easily. As Donald Miller pointed out you may need to re-tailor your exposures to fit the paper. I have found that Agfa Nuetol or Edwal Black combined with selenium toning will provide good blacks. IIRC Zonal Pro works well but I don't know if it is still available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Leest
    So what can I do to improve this issue (film developer, technique, paper developer, toner).

    thx, Marc.
    Get a better paper. Develop it in amidol.

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    You could try strong warm selenium. KRS at 1+4 at 25 degrees C. You will also get a tonal shift from green (untoned) to blue as well as much deeper blacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c6h6o3
    Get a better paper. Develop it in amidol.
    I am about quitting RC paper at all. For less critical work i want to use MG IV FB. Tonality is ok, only the blacks. A suggestion ?
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    I have used Multigrade IV quite extensively and reiterate what Donald Miller said that you might need to adjust the film exposure/development to "match" the multigrade curve. Selenium toner also slightly darkens the blacks in MGIV

    As an alternative I have started using Oriental Seagull VC which gives me a deeper black still using Ilford MG developer.

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    For enlargements, I really like Efke/Adox/Cachet/Maco/J&C Expo graded FB in Michael Smith's amidol formula. Steve Anchell has also written good things about this paper in amidol (not sure which formula he uses). In Europe you should be able to get it from fotoimpex.de.

    Most of the premium graded papers are good, though, and much is a matter of taste. Buy a few 25 packs and test them for yourself to see what you like.
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