Delta 400 in Rodinal???
Never shot or developed D400.
First let me say: I LIKE Rodinal! If I can use it, I will...BUT, I'm not blind to the fact that other developers may work better with different emulsions...
Second: I'm not averse to grain...like it in most bw work except for portraiture.
With that said:
I've got a couple of rolls of Delta 400 waiting for a dip/plunge/bath so to speak. Images and scenes vary, so I'm looking for middle ground here. So, what does D400 like best? My other (inhome stock) choices are: a package of Perceptol waiting to be mixed, D-76 in the same state and a bit of Ilfosol S leftover. If there's a strong argument for another, I'll run and get it, but...let's face it, I'm cheap! and would prefer to use what I have.
Any suggestions? Experiences?
Well Joey, with D 76 you can`t go wrong obviously, I have used it with very nice results.
For me, Delta 400 looks great in TMax or DD-X, Ilfosol S "likes" slower and conventional films (FP4+;Pan F+) but it can be used with tabular ones also, a matter of taste for sure.
Give it a try with TMax or DD-X, I think you`re going to like it.
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I'm not a Delta user, but the stuff is fairly similar to Kodak's T-Max films, which I do use on occassion. My experience with TMax 400 and Rodinal left a lot to be desired. I didn't like the grain pattern and felt that I wasn't getting the speed I should have gotten from the film. Obviously, Delta 400 is not Tmax 400, so I'm generalizing here.
You really can't go wrong with D-76, or its Ilford counterpart ID-11. It is the de facto standard by which films are measured and other developers compared. The developer has been around, in slightly different formulae, since the 1920's and most films are built to respond well in it.
I found that even thogh Delta is technically similiar to Tmax, the two give different results by quite a margin. But it may be just my personal perception of it - I have no scientific data to back my view. I also find that Delta 400 is just about the only 400 film that has given me decent results with Rodinal in 35mm grain wise. I too am not against grain - I like it, but I do understand that sometimes enough is enough. I have souped Delta 400 in two developers (for similar reasons as you - it was what I had on hand) Rodinal and Microphen, and I liked the Rodinal results better - sharper, more characterful negatives with a better range of tones in my opinion. I think you should try it - I suspect that its one of these things where you will have to look for yourself to see if its "up your alley". Good luck and keep us posted!
It works OK in Rodinal although I like using regular B/W ISO 400 films (HP5 and Tri-X). I have used it three times and the grains is visible yet subtle. The contrast seems to be a bit on the low side for me, though.
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I’ve tried about 6 rolls of Delta 400 in Rodinal and I still have no idea where I have gone wrong. I think my biggest problem was that the first roll looked OK, but things only got worse from there. Flat negatives were the defining characteristic.
Unfortunately the rest of the film I had I didn’t want to use for experimentation so I switched to Xtol (only because my local shop was out of DD-X)
I don’t want to warn you off this combo – I like Rodinal as well, but you may need more than a couple of rolls to nail the process.
Rodinal + Delta 400.
WITH ANY NEW FILM AND DEVELOPER, test a roll first.
Try 1+50, 18', agitate 5 secs per minute. Use distilled water.
It ought to be a long straight line with normal contrast.
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid,
and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
Amen! Only don't get carried away with testing (unless that's your "thing"). I find it easy to become distracted with some of the newer products. Then I take a deep breath and just go for it....
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Truly, dr bob.
I never got satisfying results with any Delta film in Rodinal. FP4 and HP5 work way better!
I finally had time to look through some old negative files. I got a really nice result with Delta 400 shot at EI250, developed in Rodinal 1:50 for 8.5 minutes @ 78 degrees (Yes, the water is hot here in the summer! I would recommend using a standard time/temp compensation chart to adjust the time to a more normal temperature). These negs show nice sharp grain and good clean tonality. They were shot outdoors in the SoCal sun with probably an SBR around 8-9. That said, I still prefer FX-39 for this film. The grain is a little tighter and sharper, and it has a little more shadow detail.