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    Sistan on toned paper

    Hello, I haven't found any related post about this question.
    May I use Agfa Sistan (Image silver stabilizer) on a toned paper ?
    I use Agfa Viradon New and Kodak Sepia Toner

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    Sistan is usually used when one wants to protect an image without toning, especially one that creates a color shift, as both of your do.

    In fact the sulfite toners provide a very high level of protection.

    I suppose you could use it, but the question is why?

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    Yes, I don't see why you would need it. The toner is already protecting the image.
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    All Right I didn't know that the toner is already protecting the image. Thanks for your answers.

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    Just to be safe I use Sistan on both toned and untoned prints the reason being that archival protection is dependent on the level of toning done. If for example a print is left in selenium toner for just enough time to increase D-MAX then the selenium will have only affected the shadow areas and not the highlights. Thus the highlight areas of the print are relatively unprotected. Along the same line I will sometimes only bleach and sepia tone the highlights meaning the shadow areas are not affected. I use Sistan as a fail safe method to protect these areas of the print that may not have been covered by the toner. IMO opinion it can't hurt.

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    Daniel makes a good point, one must tone to completion for archival protection.

    So if you are split toning you might considered the sistan

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    Has anyone ever proven that sistan even works?

    Or is just an urban darkroom myth.


    Just asking...



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    Ctein has done some tests with Sistan, I know, and thinks it's a good idea to use it with RC prints, and I'd imagine Agfa and Wilhelm have probably tested it, but I suppose it's like most things that have not been around that long in that accelerated aging studies are never quite as convincing as the test of time.
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    I agree that combining selenium and Sistan can be a good idea. But the original poster uses sulfide toner, which apparently provides protection at very low dilutions. Combining that with Sistan seems superfluous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    Ctein has done some tests with Sistan, I know, and thinks it's a good idea to use it with RC prints, and I'd imagine Agfa and Wilhelm have probably tested it, but I suppose it's like most things that have not been around that long in that accelerated aging studies are never quite as convincing as the test of time.
    Thanks David:

    I always thought it was just photography's version of the hail Mary pass.


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