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    At the end of the day, we'll each use which approach we believe to be best.

    Please let's not start another "I'm right, you're wrong" session. There have been far too many of these on APUG recently and I haven't seen anything good come out of any of them.

    If anyone feels that they have a personal disagreement to settle then please, PM is the way to do this.
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    To help clarify this discussion I spoke to the Technical Director of IlfordPhoto in the UK who assured me that the information on the website was checked by his department last year and they stand by it.
    "Digital circuits are made from analogue parts"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Les McLean
    ... information on the website was checked by his
    department last year and they stand by it.
    www.ilford.fr/pdf/chimie/CH_RapidFixer.pdf -

    The above PDF contains the 5-10-20 minute wash routine.
    Do you think they mixed it up with their 5-10-20 inversion film
    wash routine? That 5-10-20 minute wash sequence is in part
    responsible for some misunderstandings and confusion. Dan

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    Interesting, Dan. I wasn't aware of the French site. (Very Anglo-centric of me! )

    Their PDF's don't seem to be in synch with the .com version. http://www.ilford.com/html/us_englis...apid_fixer.pdf is dated Aug 2002 and gives the 5-10-5!

    No wonder there was confusion all round. (Personally I use a 5-10-30, but then I'm paranoid!)

    Thanks for clearing this up.

    All the best,

    Frank
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancqu
    www.ilford.fr/pdf/chimie/CH_RapidFixer.pdf -

    The above PDF contains the 5-10-20 minute wash routine.
    Do you think they mixed it up with their 5-10-20 inversion film
    wash routine? That 5-10-20 minute wash sequence is in part
    responsible for some misunderstandings and confusion. Dan
    Dan, when I spoke to Martin yesterday he assured me that his staff had checked every method and technique on the website for accuracy so I don't think there can be any mix up. I have known and worked with the people who did the checking for many years and know that they are very reliable.
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    that version shows both the film and paper wash suggestions.

    film is still showing 5=10-20 and the paper 5-10-5, check page 2, and this is from the link just posted.

    Perhaps i have too much fixer on the brain and can't read correctly.

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    I use the Ilford method (with a two-bath rapid fix) for fiber paper up to the wash recommendations. I check the paper in the wash with a residual hypo test and stop washing when it shows it's clear which is usually about 60 minutes. Maybe I'm washing too much but there are so many variables in methods--and even the chemicals present in tap water--I don't think any of the fix/hypo clear/wash methods can be set in stone.

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    [QUOTES=ann]
    "That version shows both the film and paper wash suggestions."

    That PDF deals with the Rapid Fixer and not any one film or paper.

    "film is still showing 5=10-20 and the paper 5-10-5, check page 2,
    and this is from the link just posted."

    For film that is Ilford's suggested 5-10-20 inversion sequence.
    Read again page 2 column 2, Washing FB paper. I quote; "Finally,
    wash the prints for 20 minutes ... "

    That quote is from an Ilford France March 2002 PDF. Dan

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