Switch to English Language Passer en langue française Omschakelen naar Nederlandse Taal Wechseln Sie zu deutschen Sprache Passa alla lingua italiana
Members: 69,908   Posts: 1,521,514   Online: 908
      
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 12
  1. #1

    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    East Marion, NY, USA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    348

    Shipping Restrictions on Fixer/Hardener?

    Does anyone know what it is in fixer hardening solution that prevents B&H from shipping it to you?

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

    Actually, it's not just hardener. Some non-hardening, rapid fixers also cannot be shipped:

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

    Anyone know why? Driving into Manhattan to pick up a bottle of hardener isn't the way I'd planned to spend the day... <sigh>
    "What drives man to create is the compulsion to, just once in his life, comprehend and record the pure, unadorned, unvarnished truth. Not some of it; all of it."

    - Fred Picker

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    fairfield county, Ct.
    Shooter
    Large Format
    Posts
    1,813
    Images
    24

    hardener

    Seadrive-see if you can get them to ship you Ethol E-Z Fix Hardener-or maybe someone else has it. You could check with Calumet.
    Peter

  3. #3

    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Shooter
    Holga
    Posts
    121
    I believe these are USPS shipping restrictions on certain chemicals via air. UPS has no qualms about shipping almost anything. I think at some point in the past B&H got tagged or nervous about this and decided just to not deal with the hassle. Plenty other companies ship fixer. I think I got mine from Freestyle.

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,054
    Last I knew, B&H used FedEx to ship. FedEx is/was rather fussy about shipping hazardous materials and most/all liquid chemstry is hazmat.

    UPS will ship, but you pay a hazmat charge on it and that sometimes makes it not worth the effort.

    B&H is just following the law and you can't blame them.

    Shop around, lots of dealers will just put the stuff in a box, not label it hazmat and ship it anyway. They, or you, will have to deal with the problem of spillage if it comes up.

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Chicago, Western Suburbs
    Shooter
    4x5 Format
    Posts
    1,434
    Dear Fred,

    Please excuse this if it is a foolish question, but why not simply order one of the products that they can ship? There are both hardening and non hardening fixers available as well as at least one (Heico) separate hardener available for shiping.

    Neal Wydra

  6. #6

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Woonsocket, RI USA
    Shooter
    35mm
    Posts
    2,725
    B&H offers a variety of shipping options. The one I always use is UPS ground, and in all honesty, I haven't paid a lot of attention to the other options. (I'm in Rhode Island, and UPS ground from B&H usually arrives in a day or two, so I don't care to pay three times as much for overnight shipping that'll likely arrive at my door the same time as ground would.)

    My understanding is that B&H is just being very conservative about this; many types of products go in their "will not ship" category until they can check out their contents in detail to be 100% sure that they aren't restricted. Moving items out of this category doesn't seem to be a big priority for them. They also don't want the hassle/risk of setting up a system to ship hazmat items via some methods but not others.

    Other retailers are happy to ship most of these items. Adorama and Freestyle, for instance, both ship most of the things B&H won't ship, although they do restrict it to ground shipment (UPS with Adorama, FedEx with Freestyle). I've never noticed a specific hazmat charge when buying such items from either place, although it might have been bundled into the "shipping" line on the invoice without further elaboration. AFAIK, they aren't breaking any laws; it's just that B&H is keeping very far from breaking any laws.

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    East Marion, NY, USA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    348
    Quote Originally Posted by Neal
    Dear Fred,

    Please excuse this if it is a foolish question, but why not simply order one of the products that they can ship? There are both hardening and non hardening fixers available as well as at least one (Heico) separate hardener available for shiping.

    Neal Wydra
    I just ordered some Kodafix from Freestyle (I had other things on my shopping list there anyhoo), and I'll get a 4-liter box of Sprint non-hardening fixer from B&H.

    I was just curious as to why they didn't offer any shipping options on some of this stuff. Sheesh, it's not nuclear waste, is it? :o

    And don't call me Shirley, I mean, Fred...

    Thanks, everyone!
    "What drives man to create is the compulsion to, just once in his life, comprehend and record the pure, unadorned, unvarnished truth. Not some of it; all of it."

    - Fred Picker

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Los Alamos, NM
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,043
    This seems to be a new thing. Liquid hardener, in concentrated form, contains fairly concentrated but weak acid (usually acetic). It has not generally been considered hazardous, but maybe someone got nervous about lawsuits in case some spilled. In solutions like Kodafix, although the acid is not that much less concentrated, they probably believe it to be diluted to the point of being benign - or maybe they just haven't discovered it yet. Most liquid chemistry is not particularly hazardous, but our litigious society makes life difficult.

  9. #9

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Woonsocket, RI USA
    Shooter
    35mm
    Posts
    2,725
    I recall seeing a thread about this somewhere else a while ago. The following is from memory and is nth-hand information, so take it with a grain of salt. That out of the way....

    As I understand it, a lot of the shipping restrictions that cause B&H to not ship certain items relate to concerns over air transport, and they can be traced back to one or more airplane crashes a few years ago that had as (at least partial) causes problems with volatile cargo. This caused the FAA (or whoever is responsible for such things) to impose strict limits on what may be shipped by air. Of course, 99.99% of the time, shipping acidic fixer by air would cause no problems; but if it were to leak, and if the package next to it were to leak, and if the two happened to combine in the wrong way, it could conceivably cause a crash. Even combinations that would just be a nuisance or that would damage other cargo on a ground shipment could cause a crash on an airplane.

    Where B&H differs from most other mail-order photo retailers is that they don't want to be bothered with flagging items that can't be shipped by air but that can be shipped by ground. If it can't be shipped by air, they won't ship it at all.

    Again, this is all from memory and may be riddled with errors.

  10. #10
    Pragmatist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Bath, NY
    Shooter
    Medium Format
    Posts
    598
    B&H wont ship stop bath either. Adorama has no problem shipping any chemical. I dont know what the issue is but I do business with both companies, both ship to my location via UPS. Adorama also has better prices on some items, so build your working "wish list" on both and order appropriately!
    Cheers,

    Patrick

    When you come to a fork in the road, take it...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast


 

APUG PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Contact Us  |  Support Us!  |  Advertise  |  Site Terms  |  Archive  —   Search  |  Mobile Device Access  |  RSS  |  Facebook  |  Linkedin