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    Replacement for Agfa APX25

    I guess this question has been asked a thousand times before on this forum, but after being out of the B/W loop for 14 years i'm a little lost. I want to start b/w again, but I have no stock left.

    I used to shoot on Agfa APX25 developed with microdol-x or t-max developer and enlarged on Ilford multigrade FB (if I all remember well from the top of my head)

    What would be a nice combination to use these days where every shop goes digital (including myself)

    Since I do not have a dark room at home anymore I'm planning to use the following workflow:
    - develop the film at home using a dark filmloader bag.
    - scan the file and select the printable ones on the computer
    - cycle 10 miles to my parents house to print the negative I want.

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    APX 25 is available, it is sold under the Rollei brand, it is called Rollei Pan 25.
    Microdol-X and T-Max developer are also available.
    You can also have Ilford Multigrade FB, but it is not cheap.

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    Blonds or Brunettes ?
    Are you looking for the APX look or just a finegrained film ?
    There are lots of alternatives and you will probably get a dozen different sugestions.
    Ilford Delta 100, Fuji Across 100, Ilford Pan F, Adox CHS 25, Rollei Pan 25, Gigabit and all the other mikrofilm/developer combinations, The Ortho films and and .........
    I would say. Find out whats available to you and pick a couple of those and see which you like best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petzi
    APX 25 is available, it is sold under the Rollei brand, it is called Rollei Pan 25.
    Petzi, I don`t think you should continue spreading this unconfirmed rumor.
    From the Rollei Pan 25 pdf file(can be downloaded here )
    it says the Rollei Pan 25 has a crystal clear polyester base.
    APX 25 has a grey acetate base.

    The pdf says: Rollei Pan 25 has a NC "non-curling" coating.
    APX 25 sure doesn`t, it`s quite thin and curly.

    How do you explain these differences?
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    If it really is so, then the Rollei Pan 25 is probably made by Efke. I know that Maco (who supply the Rollei film) made Efke/Adox use the clear base for their film. I don't think they could have coerced Agfa to change their film base. I apologize if I was wrong about this one. Normally the rumours I spread prove correct in the end.

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    Petzi, I have sent an email to Rollei to hear what they say about it, hopefully they will answer. But I think the base material "evidence" is clear(pun intended)
    And I`ll try to get a roll or two of the Pan 25 to compare with the APX 25 I have left.
    While it probably isn`t APX 25, I hope it`s a good film.
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    I read that Rollei Pan is "Made in Germany". They got me with that. It could have been only Agfa film under these circumstances. I shall make a careful distinction between "make" and "coat" in the future.

    The data sheet for Rollei Retro 100 and 400 does not mention the film base. I think there is a consensus that this film is APX 100 and 400.

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    Well....
    The rumor that I haev heard is that you both are right. Some how, some way or another, Rolleipan is APX 25 emulsion coating, on a different base. But, there can be many busses driven though the holes in that rumor too...

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    It is not unlikely that Efke attempted to make an emulsion that has properties like APX 25, given the howling and mourning that the discontinuation of APX 25 caused. They may have seen a market opportunity here.

    I don't know why Maco demanded the clear base from them though. The only answer I have for that is that it may be an advantage for reversal processing to make slides.

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    I`d love the rumors to be true....
    I`ll try some Pan 25 and see what it`s like.
    And the Retro 100/400 rumor sounds more likely to be true.
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