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    MGIV FB Glossy Warmtone, make it neutral tone

    I've try the MGIV FB Glossy Warmtone in dektol 1:3 , I got greenish, when toning in selenium 1:20 it become warmth, I want to neutral, any suggestions

    many thanks before

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    Quote Originally Posted by haryanto View Post
    I've try the MGIV FB Glossy Warmtone in dektol 1:3 , I got greenish, when toning in selenium 1:20 it become warmth, I want to neutral, any suggestions

    many thanks before
    Ilford Cooltone developer will cool it to a blue black. It is one of the most versatile papers around-and beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Layne View Post
    Ilford Cooltone developer will cool it to a blue black. It is one of the most versatile papers around-and beautiful.
    Mark

    thanks Mark, unfortunately, we dont have that developer in my country, Indonesia, I'll love the blueblack tone , thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by haryanto View Post
    thanks Mark, unfortunately, we dont have that developer in my country, Indonesia, I'll love the blueblack tone , thanks again
    How about Oriental's cold-tone developer?

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    You might use goldtoner to get cold blue blacks. Can be purchased readymade or made by raw chemicals, but it is expensive.

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    sadly, in this digital age, hard to find ready made developer or toner in my country, I only have dektol and selectol soft, that I buy a lot last year, but I can make it from scracth any idea?

    thanks to you all

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    Quote Originally Posted by haryanto View Post
    sadly, in this digital age, hard to find ready made developer or toner in my country, I only have dektol and selectol soft, that I buy a lot last year, but I can make it from scracth any idea?

    thanks to you all
    Sure:

    GAF 231

    Distilled water 750ml
    Ammonium thiocyanate* 105g
    Goldchloride 1% sol. 60ml
    Cold water to make 1000ml

    *Sodium thiocyanate may be substituted at 110g or potassium thiocyanate
    at 135g.

    Recipe taken from "The Master Photographer's Toning Book, by Dr. Tim Rudman"

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    You might try adding small amounts of 10% benzatriazole (sp?), which is a restrainer that will raise contrast slightly and also cool the image tone. You may have to extend development to the 3-4 minute range also to get the maximum effect. The changes are likely to be subtle in any case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haryanto View Post
    I've try the MGIV FB Glossy Warmtone in dektol 1:3 , I got greenish, when toning in selenium 1:20 it become warmth, I want to neutral, any suggestions

    many thanks before
    That combination your using does come out very green. I have been using this paper exclusively for years and get a range of tone from Brown to Neutral to Blue Black. The best developer I have found for neutral/cold tones is the Ilford Harmon Cold Tone Developer. Another option if you must use dektol is using a gold toner. This will give you a very blue cold tone depending on the length of time in the toner...this paper does gold tone fast. As I am a fan of split tones you could do a strong selenium step (1-9) for 2-3 minutes and then gold tone (warm shadows/blue highlights).

    If you can't get the ilford developer then this developer formula works good to get neutral tones on this paper. Make sure you use the variation without the Potassium Bromide and sub the benzatriazol.

    Similar to Kodak D-72 and Defender 54-D, this formula produces a more pronounced blue-black on most papers.

    MIXING THE STOCK SOLUTION
    You will need a 1 liter storage container and a 1000 ml graduated cylinder for mixing the stock solution. You may find it convenient to use a proper-sized mixing bowl to mix the stock solution.

    STOCK SOLUTION A
    Chemical Amount Units
    Water (110°F/43°C) 750 ml
    Metol 3 g
    Sodium sulfite 40 g
    Hydroquinone 12 g
    Sodium carbonate (mono)* 75 g
    Potassium bromide 0.8 g
    Water to make 1000 ml
    *65 g Sodium carbonate (anhy).

    Place the warm water in the storage container and add a pinch of sodium sulfite. (A small amount of sodium sulfite will minimize the initial oxidation of the metol. If more is added at this point, the metol will not dissolve). Add the metol to the solution and stir until all of the metol is dissolved. It is important that all of the metol be dissolved before the other chemicals are added. Add the sodium sulfite, stirring until the solid dissolves, Add each chemical in the order given in the table above. Be sure each chemical is completely dissolved before adding the next one to the solution. Finally, add water to the solution to bring its final volume up to size.

    STOCK SOLUTION B
    Benzotriazole, 1% solution

    LIFE AND CAPACITY OF THE DEVELOPER SOLUTION
    The stock solution has a life of more than six months.

    USAGE
    Dilute 1:2 and add between 6.0 ml and 15.0 ml of Stock Solution B per each liter of Stock Solution A used. The more benzotriazole used, the greater the blue tone. Develop for 2 minutes at 68°F/20°C.

    VARIATIONS
    Reduce the amount of potassium bromide and/or substitute 0.2 g of benzotriazole for every 1.0 g of potassoium bromide for cooler blue tones.

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    Haryanto,

    Can you get hold of Mgd 4 FB ? This is a neutral paper, and it stays neutral after selenium toning.
    Another suggestion: Have you tried Dektol at 1:9? When I used this with Mgd 4 FB it came out blue black - cooler than at 1:3. Don't know if it works like this with Mgd warmtone but it would be worth a try since you have the paper and the developer.

    Alan Clark

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