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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulrich Drolshagen View Post
    Hi,

    I think it's a logical step to go. They compete in emulsion technology not in production technology. Sharing the production plant (mainly coating I think) will reduce capital cost for both and makes them both more competitive. This works as long as the coating technology for both their emulsions is appropriate. Which may not always be the case. But there are several coating lines to chose from worldwide.

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    As PhotoEngineer, FotoImpex and others have pointed out...

    It is never simple and - rarely possible at all - to take Emulsion A from Company A and produce it at Company B.
    Last edited by aldevo; 10-03-2007 at 03:16 PM. Click to view previous post history.
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    I thought Ilford said they were comitted to keeping B&W film and paper alive even if they had to help produce their competition. Adox and Efke film are manufactured in the Ilford plant now. I'm not suprised Bergger had to follow.

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    I thought Adox/Efke was being made in Croatia?
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    Not quite true. Bullshit !!!!

    Fotoimpex sell Ilford film rebadged as Adox, Fotoimpex own the Adox trade name. Ilford do not manufacture any EFKE films, EFKE make them all themselves.

    Get your facts right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Kinney View Post
    Adox and Efke film are manufactured in the Ilford plant now..

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    EFKE films are made in Croatia;.

    However EFKE no longer own the Adox trade name, that is now owned by Fotoimpex who are rebadging products from a variety of manufacturers under the Adox brand name.

    Ian

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    I thought Adox/Efke was being made in Croatia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhv View Post
    ... Bergger sells at least one paper that is unique, their extra-premium 100% rag base, and well, there must be a market for that. Their VC papers are really nice as well, and have their own "flavour."
    That "Silver Supreme" paper is the most expensive paper on the market, and I have sometimes wished I hadn't discovered just how different it is. When it's the right paper, nothing else comes close...

    The "Art Contact" is unique in the market too, I believe? It even liths well, except for the ridiculously long exposure time!
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    What you don't know is that Bergger bought some material to Forte plant and moved it to Ilford. So products will be in continuation of those we bought till now. And I hope so !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelien View Post
    What you don't know is that Bergger bought some material to Forte plant and moved it to Ilford. So products will be in continuation of those we bought till now. And I hope so !
    I hope you are proven correct. Even if true, the products cannot be absolutely identical to those produced in Vac, Hungary. Better? Worse? Identical to Ilford's? We will have to wait and see.

    I would not doubt Bergger's intentions but for Guy Gerard's and Daniel Boucher's continual refusal to acknowledge that most (not all, but most) Bergger products were re-branded Forte ones.

    Ultimately, it will be the testimonials of the customers that determine whether these products are distinct from Ilford's or not. If they are not, then I think word will spread rather quickly.

    In any case, thank you for posting this update. Now...we wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole View Post
    That "Silver Supreme" paper is the most expensive paper on the market, and I have sometimes wished I hadn't discovered just how different it is. When it's the right paper, nothing else comes close...

    The "Art Contact" is unique in the market too, I believe? It even liths well, except for the ridiculously long exposure time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    Not quite true. Bullshit !!!!

    Fotoimpex sell Ilford film rebadged as Adox, Fotoimpex own the Adox trade name. Ilford do not manufacture any EFKE films, EFKE make them all themselves.

    Get your facts right.

    Ian
    Actually...

    Efke 400 actually has been two separate emulsions - neither of which was produced at the Efke facility in Croatia. Very briefly it was HP5+ (late 2004 after Ilford's difficulties) and now it is APX 400 (Efke having procured a share of the remaining AgfaPhoto-produced APX 400 emulsion to finish and cut).

    So it isn't quite true that Efke makes all their films.
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