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    Substitute for Ansco 130

    I've been mixing and using Ansco 130 for a few years and love it for its "look" and keeping qualities as a paper developer. But the combined cost of Glycin and shipping to Australia is getting prohibitive. Can anyone suggest an alternative?

    I prefer to mix my own developers rather than buying proprietary products.

    Thanks in advance

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    Ethol's LPD is a fairly long-lasting dev, but I don't know if you can find it there. However, you should be able to find Dektol; lasts fairly well and should be much cheaper than glycin.

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    Dektol won't give you the Ansco 130 look. It also doesn't last nearly as long as 130. Look around and see if you can find the Ilford Warmtone pre-mixed liquid. I know it's a proprietary developer, but it is relatively economical, and if the Ilford importer in Australia brings it in, it should be readily available.

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    Nothing is really like Ansco 130, unfortunately.

    Perhaps ordering larger quantities of glycin and mixing up larger quantities of stock solution (which keep for a very long time) will be your answer. I've also read that many people have had good luck freezing glycin, although I personally have not tried this. Supposedly the powder will keep years when frozen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    Look around and see if you can find the Ilford Warmtone pre-mixed liquid. I know it's a proprietary developer, but it is relatively economical, and if the Ilford importer in Australia brings it in, it should be readily available.
    I think Ilford has actually discontinued their Warmtone developer.

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    Well, given the keeping properties of Ansco 130, you could make a bigger order to amortize costs?

    Otherwise, I found that PolymaxT is a pretty decent substitute, and has a slight edge over Dektol in terms of look. It's a commercial product, but it might be easier to find.

    You might want to have a look at the recipes in here:
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    Or invest in The Darkroom Cookbook, which has quite a few formulae as well. The authors' explanations should help to guide you.
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    According to my first tests with Ansco 130 (which I liked quite a lot) the biggest difference is in print color. It gave me very warm prints with good contrast. It was warmer than anything I have been able to mix up but you might try mixing a developer with a lot of potas Bromide and not much sodium Carbonate.

    If you are mixing from scratch as opposed to a box mix the Ansco 130 isn't all that expensive in the greater scheme of things.
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    Far as I know, the only one they discontinued was the cooltone developer.

    Quote Originally Posted by PHOTOTONE View Post
    I think Ilford has actually discontinued their Warmtone developer.
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    A developer I always liked, but that almost requires a selenium toning session afterwards (unless you like a green cast) is Ilford Bromophen.
    I have used it diluted to 1+3 and have had good results from it. It's sold in powder form so shipping should be reasonable. It works really well with Kentmere Kentona paper and Ilford Warmtone.
    I can't say that it's precisely like A-130, but it does display a really nice tonal scale, and its keeping properties was good in my darkroom. I used the same concentrate, stored in a glass bottle, for almost a year without any noticeable change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyn Arnold View Post
    I've been mixing and using Ansco 130 for a few years and love it for its "look" and keeping qualities as a paper developer. But the combined cost of Glycin and shipping to Australia is getting prohibitive. Can anyone suggest an alternative?

    I prefer to mix my own developers rather than buying proprietary products.

    Thanks in advance

    Lyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHOTOTONE View Post
    I think Ilford has actually discontinued their Warmtone developer.
    Cooltone was the discontinued product, not Warmtone.

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