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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hoskinson View Post
    The Defender 52-D TWO-SOLUTION VARIABLE CONTRAST DEVELOPER recipe sounds to me like it would meet your requirements. And the BEERS developer should do so as well.
    Is the formula readily available? I haven't heard of Defender 52-D and I didn't see in the Cookbooks.
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    Les, what would be the benefits on doing a two bath technique on a variable contrast paper...other than image tone...which probably would be very subtle on a coldtone paper? I know that the dektol / selectol soft two bath combo has been used and taught extensively by Bruce Barnbaum and John Sexton at their darkroom workshop classes in the past but has been abandoned for the most part by Bruce (I don't know about John) with the advent of variable contrast papers. Am I missing something here?

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    2 Bath

    John-I can't see any benefit for using a two bath for the VC paper. with graded there is amidol with a water bath which is by far the best method I have ever used; although it will also work with dektol and a water bath...just not as long lasting or as fast....
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Simmons View Post
    Les, what would be the benefits on doing a two bath technique on a variable contrast paper...other than image tone...which probably would be very subtle on a coldtone paper? I know that the dektol / selectol soft two bath combo has been used and taught extensively by Bruce Barnbaum and John Sexton at their darkroom workshop classes in the past but has been abandoned for the most part by Bruce (I don't know about John) with the advent of variable contrast papers. Am I missing something here?
    John, my experience in using two bath development goes back to the days when VC paper was not the best product in the market place and we used it to control the subtle nuances of contrast with graded paper. When fibre VC paper appeared I thought there would be no need to use two bath development because of the extra dimension VC paper gave us. What I found when I started to experiment with the combination of split grade printing and the use of two bath development, and often the use of water bath development, was that I achieved an even greater level of both tonal and contrast control. My view of what makes the fine black and white print is that subtleties are a very important element and any measure that can be employed to improve and control them is surely a benefit. We all have our favourite methods of working and I'm sure that Bruce has good reason to have abandoned his use of two bath development.
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    Defender 52-D Recipe status

    Quote Originally Posted by Snapshot View Post
    Is the formula readily available? I haven't heard of Defender 52-D and I didn't see in the Cookbooks.
    Snapshot, I'll post the Defender 52-D Recipe this evening after I convert Grains to Grams, etc.

    However, what I personally use is Michael Smith's Amidol recipe with a water bath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hoskinson View Post
    Snapshot, I'll post the Defender 52-D Recipe this evening after I convert Grains to Grams, etc.

    However, what I personally use is Michael Smith's Amidol recipe with a water bath.
    That would be very kind of you. As for the Amidol recipe, it's my understanding that Amidol doesn't keep well, which is why I shy away from it. Also, I'm not aware of any good supplies. Is there a reliable source, in terms of quality?
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    Amidol keeps well as a dry chemical. I use the working developer as a one-shot. Artcraft, J.D Photochem and Photographer's Formulary are all good, reliable sources of high quality Amidol.



    Defender D-52 Stock Solution A
    Water 500 ml
    Metol 3 gm
    Sodium Sulfite -anhyd 21 gm
    Hydroquinone 3 gm
    Sodium Carbonate - mono 14 gm
    Potassium Bromide 1 gm
    water to make 1.0 liter
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    Defender D-52 Stock Solution B
    Water 500 ml
    Metol none
    Sodium Sulfite -anhyd 21 gm
    Hydroquinone 9 gm
    Sodium Carbonate - mono 14 gm
    Potassium Bromide 1 gm
    water to make 1.0 liter
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    Using 52-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hoskinson View Post
    Defender D-52 Stock Solution B
    Water 500 ml
    Metol none
    Sodium Sulfite -anhyd 21 gm
    Hydroquinone 9 gm
    Sodium Carbonate - mono 14 gm
    Potassium Bromide 1 gm
    water to make 1.0 liter
    NORMAL CONTRAST:
    MIX 1 PART A, 1 PART B AND 2 PARTS WATER

    FOR SOFT CONTRAST RESULTS:
    MIX 3 PARTS A, 1 PART B AND 4 PARTS WATER

    FOR HARD CONTRAST RESULTS:
    MIX 1 PART A, 3 PARTS B AND 4 PARTS WATER

    DEVELOPING TIME SHOULD BE MAINTAINED BETWEEN 1.5 TO 2 MINUTES AT 70F.

    SOURCE: DARKROOM HANDBOOK AND FORMULARY, MORRIS GERMAIN, 1940
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    Thanks for the D-52 formula Tom. I'll try it out in the near future.
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