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    Quote Originally Posted by cmo View Post
    As far as I can read it on the FOTOIMPEX web site Efke and Adox is actually the same, they just changed the name to the original name Adox.
    Yes and No.

    Yes Fotoimpex are selling the EFKE film as Adox, and very clearly stating that, and of course the film was made by ADOX before the plant & name were sold by Dupont to EFKE. EFKE later dropping the brand name.

    However as Fotoimpex now own the brand name they can sell what they like badged as Adox. So they are also selling re-branded Iford film as Adox and film from other manufacturers.

    To be fair Fotoimpex do give clear descriptions of their films and papers so there shouldn't be any confusion.

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    Sounds like at least a couple of articles for B&W Photography. I hope the editor is watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim appleyard View Post
    I don't want to be accused of starting/spreading a rumor, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Rollei 25 was leftover APX 25? Didn't I read a thread about that here not long a go?
    There is no leftover APX 25. Agfa stopped production in 2000, long before the disinvestment of Agfa Leverkusen by Agfa-Gevaert in 2004 and before Agfa Leverkusen went banktrupt in 2005. Maco is reselling leftover AGFA APX 100 and 400 as Rollei 100 and 400, but no APX 25. FotoImpex/Adox however, is planning to make 25/100/400 based on APX-technology in their own plant starting in 2008.

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    OK, it's the 100 & 400 I was thinking of. Thanks.

    If APX films were made again, (I know some folks say it won't be the same, but if they came close! ) that would make my day!

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    Dear All,

    Just to be clear, ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology have not sold our film as private label since the management buyout in February 2005.

    Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

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    That's a very fair comment Simon, but at the present time re-branded Ilford films are still available, albeit of pre-Feb 2005 manufacture. It can be confusing when the same product is sold under a wide variety of names, this happens more with film from other manufacturers.

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    Dear Ian,

    You are absolutely correct, it is confusing :

    Simon ILFORD photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon R Galley View Post
    Dear Ian,

    You are absolutely correct, it is confusing :

    Simon ILFORD photo / HARMAN technology Limited :
    Harman (Ilford) will be subcontractor for Bergger :

    http://www.bergger.com/us/release.html

    Jacques

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    There was a previous post on this a couple months back of someone asking what Adox Pan 25 was. It was confirmed in the post by a user that Adox Pan 25 is the same film as Rollei Pan 25, and same story of the Ortho versions of Adox and Rollei. Read the tech info on the two films between the two companies and you will notice the film info is the same. Keep in mind Adox also puts out the Efke 25 film, but that is under another Adox name. By the way you will not get a response from Mirko on this as he didn't respond to previous posts on this very subject.

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    Hello,

    it is possible to stop the confusion, because there is sufficient official information directly from the german manufacturers/distributors Maco (Rollei Film) and Adox (Fotoimpex). This topic was recently discussed in the german aphog forum with official statements (both companies are active members on aphog).

    I will try to translate the most important aspects. First a brief look into history: Maco Pan 25, Maco Ortho 25, Maco IR 820, Maco UP 100plus, Maco PO 100, Maco UP 64 and Maco TP 64c were exclusively made by Fotokemika (Efke, Croatia) for Maco. These films were special, selected production runs.This production was independant from the 'normal' Efke production.

    The cooperation between Maco and Efke stopped some years ago due to reorganised production structures at Fotokemika. Therefore Maco films made by Fotokemika are history. There is no Efke film in the current Rollei film programme.
    Then Fotoimpex started to sell some Efke films under the Adox brand.

    Maco introduced a new film programme under the Rollei brand at Photokina 2004. These films are/were made by Filmotec (Wolfen, Germany), Agfa-Gevaert (Mortsel, Belgium) and AgfaPhoto (Leverkusen, Germany).

    Rollei Retro 100/400: AgfaPhoto APX 100/400 (last production run in 2005, Leverkusen).
    Rollei Pan 25: Made by Filmotec. It is an improved Orwo NP 15 emulsion with finer grain, different base and redesigned for new raw materials and more modern production processes at the new Filmotec plant in Wolfen.
    Rollei Ortho 25: Made by Filmotec.
    Rollei R³: Made by Filmotec.

    All other films of the current Rollei film programme, including the new ATP high resolution film and the Superpan 200 film, are made by Agfa-Gevaert in Mortsel (Belgium). If you are interested in some pictures of Agfas current film production, have a look:

    http://www.maco-photo.de/files/image...otogr_film.pdf

    Maco does not have exclusive contracts with Filmotec and Agfa-Gevaert. Both companies are free to sell some of their products to other distributors.
    Filmotec did this with Pan 25 and Ortho 25 (= Adox Pan 25, Adox Ortho 25).
    And Agfa-Gevaert is selling some of their films to other distributers as well:
    The high resolution films Gigabitfilm, Spur Orthopan UR and Adox CMS 20 are made by Agfa-Gevaert.

    If I say 'made by' I mean emulsioning and coating. Cutting, packing etc. is made by other specialists, e.g. Photostar in Germany, but also some others.

    Adox:
    Adox CHS films: Made by Fotokemika.
    Adox CHM films: Made by Ilford (old stock from the time before Ilfords management buy-out in 2005).
    Adox CMS 20: Made by Agfa-Gevaert.
    Adox Pan 25, Ortho 25: Made by Filmotec.

    I hope your questions are now answered.

    For some further details you may have a look at:
    http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=46714#46714
    http://www.maco-photo.de/files/images/SW_55_06.pdf
    http://www.adox.de/english/ADOX_Films/ADOX_Films.html

    Best regards from Germany,
    Henning

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