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    Old Paper Again

    All all this talk of printing on old paper and no one has shown anything. I do what I can here. These scans aren't quite as nice as the original. I only retouched brightness after scanning.

    Ok here it goes first contact sheet of a step guide

    All prints are developed in Defender 58D 1:1

    If people are interested I will post times for exposure. Development was 4-6 minutes. Exposure 90 to 270 seconds. The Opal was in an enlarger everything else contact.

    Order of paper Opal 1949, Illingworth ?, Velox 1954, Azo 1931
    I will post some more pictures later.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Opal G Strip 1-2-4.jpg   Illingsworth Strip-2-2.jpg   Azo 1931 2-4 6 mins.jpg   Velox  1937 2-4.jpg  

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    Here are some pictures

    1. Azo 1931
    2. Luminos 1974 (I think the date is accurate)
    3. Opal1949 - Scan seems to have more color then the original. All Brown in
    my print.
    4. Velox 1947
    5. Opal1947
    6. Velox 1954
    7. Velox 1974

    I have to size a number of scan of other papers. When I get a chance I will. Those will be of the same negative on different paper.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Azo-1931-002.jpg   Loren-and-Erin-1.jpg   Loren-Guitar-1-1.jpg   Loren-Velox-1947-F4.jpg   Opal G Stairs 58D.jpg  

    Velox-1954-001.jpg   Velox-Mill-58D004.jpg  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlibersky View Post
    Here are some pictures

    1. Azo 1931
    2. Luminos 1974 (I think the date is accurate)
    3. Opal1949 - Scan seems to have more color then the original. All Brown in
    my print.
    4. Velox 1947
    5. Opal1947
    6. Velox 1954
    7. Velox 1974

    I have to size a number of scan of other papers. When I get a chance I will. Those will be of the same negative on different paper.
    ..very nice and interesting! Thanks a bunch for posting!

    Best,

    Cor

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    I like the Opal. That looks fantastic! I have a little 70's. Box sold for pennies couple weeks ago that must have been from the 40's.
    Neat stuff.
    How do you read the tablet? What kind of info does it give?
    Illingworth looks the worst?
    Opal looks smoother than Velox and less biting ..a better portrait paper?
    Why does the Azo seem to have so little in the blacks? More in the midtones? Most contrast? Very subtle gradation.
    The velox/azo scans don't seem to match in color to their tablets.
    Velox came out olive/sepia and cold. Opal matches in both. Azo is completely opposite.

    I wouldn't hesitate to use any of that paper ..even with the difficulties. The Opal is more my style, though.
    don'tcarefortheLuminous.


    "...same negative on different paper" Great


    Any antifoggant added? Which one took the 5 minute exposure? I have some 70's Polylure that is fogged a bit but with 4 minutes at
    f5.6 -contact print- it comes out fine. Must have been stored in the oven. I thought Polylure would have been a close cousin to Ektalure but on one of the sites dealing with old paper it was classed a SLOWER chlorobromide than Ektalure. I've seen a lot of conflicting classification. Read it's variable contrast from grades 2-3.5, or something, too.

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    Thanks for posting the comparison.
    "The secret to life is to keep your mind full and your bowels empty. Unfortunately, the converse is true for most people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlibersky View Post
    Order of paper Opal 1949, Illingworth ?, Velox 1954, Azo 1931
    I will post some more pictures later.
    Robert,

    Thanks. the file names would have me believe the papers are (in order) Opal, Illingworth, Azo 1931 then Velox 1937.

    In other words the file names don't match the order you stated in your post.

    Thanks again. I can't wait to see all the papers printed with the same negative.
    John Bowen

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgjbowen View Post
    Robert,

    Thanks. the file names would have me believe the papers are (in order) Opal, Illingworth, Azo 1931 then Velox 1937.

    In other words the file names don't match the order you stated in your post.

    Thanks again. I can't wait to see all the papers printed with the same negative.

    Oops the the file names are correct in the step wedge area. My understanding of the step wedge is limited. I believe this one is in 1/2 stop increments and 11 is zone 5. Someone more familiar with this wedge would be better choice for explanation. I used it to show the range of the paper. Of the 4 shown the Illingsworth's range goes across the whole wedge. Quite impressive really. It did have the most fog, I don't know if this had anything to do with it.

    My goal was to have the range in the middle assuming that it could be moved up or down the scale.

    The 4 wedges were all processed in 58D the color is the combination of paper and developer. Al were Selenium toned. the prints are form different developers. The brownish tone ones are 58D and the Olive or black tone ones are LPD 1:5 with 50ml of Benzotriazole per 1000ml added. The LPD works well with contact paper not to good with enlarging paper

    I would be interested to see other old papers from this group if anybody has some.

    Randy

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    I love the looks of # 1 and # 5.

    Nice work, thanks.

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    The hues and color shifts are unreal. I never saw Opal, Azo or Velox give those kinds of neutral scales. I could believe the tone to some extent, but the hue shifts for a B&W paper are too too extreme.

    PE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    The hues and color shifts are unreal. I never saw Opal, Azo or Velox give those kinds of neutral scales. I could believe the tone to some extent, but the hue shifts for a B&W paper are too too extreme.

    PE
    That probaly has more to do with my scanning abilities and computer setup. I was afraid to mess with the scans to much. That said when toning a different piece of the 1931 Azo it went almost red using a 1:20 Selinium mix.

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