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    Quick Ferri Question

    Help please,

    I have a print made last night that is a little too dense. I did tone it in Selenium.
    If I do some selective Ferri in the highlights will it be effective despite of the previous toning ?
    It wasn't tone to completion.

    Thanks,
    G.

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    I think this will be problematic,, maybe Les or one of the Brits will jump in .. I am thinking you will get staining .

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillaume Zuili View Post
    Help please,

    I have a print made last night that is a little too dense. I did tone it in Selenium.
    If I do some selective Ferri in the highlights will it be effective despite of the previous toning ?
    It wasn't tone to completion.

    Thanks,
    G.

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    If you try it using a dilute ferricyanide/bromide bleach if it doesn't look good you can always re-develop it provided of course you haven't refixed it. But the chances are the selenium ton will look odd.

    Ian

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    I have 2 solutions.
    - Selective as above.
    - Quick bath of the whole print in a very dilute ferry...

    Crazy ? or not ?

    Bob, why the Brits would have a different point of view..?

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    Ian, which bleach dilution would you advice me ?

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    Guillaume, you'll need to dilute a normal bleach bath used for sepia toning with about 4 times as much water as usual, maybe more. So if it should be 1:10 try 1:40, or even 1:60, try it on a scrap print first.

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    Thanks, will try this afternoon.
    Regards,
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    Why the Brits??
    from my observation of the forums on printing over the years and just from looking at books, it seems to me that the British work with colder papers, and have a 1/2 to 1 grade increase in preference over NA printers..
    In fact I think NA printers as a general , and I mean general rule prefer a warmer base paper and softer contrast. To me it is a safer print, but then one of the hardest prints to make is one that has full tone with just the hint of black to nail the contrast.
    By being bolder with coldness and contrast I think the workers over there need to bleach a bit more to bring out some detail that may be lost *or subtley disquised in a more contrastier print.

    I have a bunch of the books by Eddie Ephrams, Tim Rudman , Les Mclean and others that all have their fondness for bleaching prints.

    Maybe my head has been in the sand and there are a lot of workers here in NA who are bleach freaks, but I have met a lot that do not use ferri as a weapon in the arsenal of print making.

    I am making a series of solarizations to very large size, that require some major bleaching to give some highlight sparkle and when I posted before christmas my questions on bleaching and toning ,,, most of the replies came from over the pond..

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillaume Zuili View Post
    I have 2 solutions.
    - Selective as above.
    - Quick bath of the whole print in a very dilute ferry...

    Crazy ? or not ?

    Bob, why the Brits would have a different point of view..?

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    Being a european in NA... hope to get the best of both worlds !

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    Yes , I can draw on my Welsh and Scottish roots to make me a better printer.

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