Discussions: 44,939 | Messages: 605,812 | Members: 29,698 | Online: 227 | Chatroom: 0
User Name:  Password:
 

"That is called grain. It is supposed to be there." -Flotsam


 
APUG search    RSS MOBILE
Customize Sidebar
Gum-Silver Process
Author: Dwane
828 view(s)
aj 12 + various things
Author: jnanian
367 view(s)
Kodak D-19
Author: Tom Hoskinson
787 view(s)
Go Back   APUG > APUG English Forums > Darkroom > B&W: Film, Paper, Chemistry > getting very tired of arista.edu curl in 120

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-17-2008, 01:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 9,569
Default

In the trade, the curl which takes place the length of the film is called piping, as it makes the film look like a length of pipe. The other curl is called curl or 'set' because it comes about by being rolled onto a roll. It is most prevalent on older film or film stored improperly. If you have both types you are in a world of hurt.

Film that curls before processing is old or has been stored very poorly and is difficult to thread onto a processing reel.

PE
Photo Engineer is offline   Reply With Quote Ignore this user Ignore this thread Ignore this forum
Old 03-17-2008, 02:01 PM   #22 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Diego, CA, USA
Posts: 135
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikebarger View Post
I tried this stuff in 120 for a very short while, I can only hang so much weight on the line I dry film on. I've used two weighted clips and didn't help a bit.

I'm like the OP, if you can get it into sleeves it took weeks not over night to get it semi flat.
My experience is the same. I can live with it---I mainly use this film for "smoke-testing" new cameras and the like---but it does take some extra effort. I can get it into sleeves without too much trouble now; my technique is to bend it slightly in the transverse (short) direction near the point of entry into the sleeve. What's *really* hard, I think, is cutting the roll into strips and keeping it from sproinging into a tight roll as soon as the weight is gone.

I could live without Fomapan/Arista, but not without some other seriously curly films like Adox ORT25; I'm stuck dealing with curl anyway, so I might as well put up with it from the Arista film as well.

-NT
ntenny is offline   Reply With Quote Ignore this user Ignore this thread Ignore this forum
Old 03-17-2008, 02:25 PM   #23 (permalink)
 
Andrew Moxom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Keeping the British end up in Minnesota
Posts: 2,995
Default

I occaisionally use Arista Ultra EDU in 120 also. Seems ot be ann in tersting film, but I get the same curl no matter how I dry, weighted, unweighted, stored inside neg files under a large book for a few days. The only way around it for me is to stop down my enlarger lens 2 stops more :-( I use it very occasionally though so I can live with it for the times I do use it. I also use Fuji ACROS and it does stay flat, but is very thin.
__________________
Please check out my APUG Portfolio .....

Arguing with an engineer is futile, It's like wrestling with a pig in mud. Eventually, you realize the pig actually enjoys it!
Andrew Moxom is offline   Reply With Quote Ignore this user Ignore this thread Ignore this forum
Old 03-18-2008, 01:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
 
Bobby Ironsights's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, ON, Canada
Posts: 110
Default

Yeah, what I don't know is why arista.edu in 35 mm is so flat that it takes a few seconds to figure out which side is the emulsion side, but they can't do that with the 120 size.

Maybe I'll just switch to acros for 120 and keep using the arista.edu for bulk 35mm and sheet film.
Bobby Ironsights is offline   Reply With Quote Ignore this user Ignore this thread Ignore this forum
Old 03-18-2008, 01:58 PM   #25 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 9,569
Default

Well, as has been argued elsewhere, some 120 films are coated on thinner support, but even so, all things being equal, the narrower the film the less curl in either direction.

PE
Photo Engineer is offline   Reply With Quote Ignore this user Ignore this thread Ignore this forum
Sponsored Ad. (Subscribers to APUG have the option to remove this ad.)

Old 03-18-2008, 07:49 PM   #26 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Woonsocket, RI USA
Posts: 2,130
Default

Foma (aka Arista.EDU Ultra) films are also odd in that the 35mm variety has a clear/gray base and poor anti-halation characteristics, whereas the MF variety has a blue base and much better anti-halation characteristics. I'm not sure what the story is there, but it could well have something to do with the lack of curl in 35mm vs. substantial curl in MF to which Bobby refers.
srs5694 is offline   Reply With Quote Ignore this user Ignore this thread Ignore this forum
Old 03-19-2008, 02:32 AM   #27 (permalink)
 
RoBBo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 239
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by srs5694 View Post
Foma (aka Arista.EDU Ultra) films are also odd in that the 35mm variety has a clear/gray base and poor anti-halation characteristics, whereas the MF variety has a blue base and much better anti-halation characteristics. I'm not sure what the story is there, but it could well have something to do with the lack of curl in 35mm vs. substantial curl in MF to which Bobby refers.
How bad is the halation on the 35mm version? Worth playing around with for effect? Or just bad enough to be annoying?
RoBBo is offline   Reply With Quote Ignore this user Ignore this thread Ignore this forum
Old 03-19-2008, 05:19 AM   #28 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Oslo, Norway
Posts: 800
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoBBo View Post
How bad is the halation on the 35mm version? Worth playing around with for effect? Or just bad enough to be annoying?
I think it is something worth exploring. I discovered it by accident when shooting high contrast indoor scenes.
Uhner is offline   Reply With Quote Ignore this user Ignore this thread Ignore this forum

APUG.ORG Block Ads. (APUG Subscribers have the option of closing this block)
 


  Contact Us - Advertise on APUG - Archive - Top - Site Terms - Forum Rules  
    

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:45 AM.
  
All Content Copyright © 2002-2008 Photocentric Ltd.   Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO APUG.ORG is a division of Photocentric Ltd.
This site is best viewed with a resolution of 1280x1024 (or higher), we recommend using