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    Quote Originally Posted by bill spears View Post
    120 Pan F in pcptl 1:2 gives beautiful sharpness AND fine grain. FP4 and HP5 work great too.
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    Have you tried perceptol 1+3 ?

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    I think I did use the 1:3 dilution a few times but for some reason tended to stick with 1:2, probably because of the long dev time. In theory the 1:3 should give even greater sharpness ? Think I might try this again sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bill spears View Post
    I think I did use the 1:3 dilution a few times but for some reason tended to stick with 1:2, probably because of the long dev time. In theory the 1:3 should give even greater sharpness ? Think I might try this again sometime.
    1:3 used to be my standard with perceptol - I used it at 24 degrees and was getting times of around 14 minutes for delta 100 at ei 80. very smooth tones, virtually grain free and knife sharp edges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon View Post
    1:3 used to be my standard with perceptol - I used it at 24 degrees and was getting times of around 14 minutes for delta 100 at ei 80. very smooth tones, virtually grain free and knife sharp edges.

    Great!

    And why is it not your standard any longer?

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    Personal taste more than anything else. I prefer a slightly grainier/ traditional look.

    I found the delta 100/ perceptol mix almost looked like a mono water colour or dare I say it ... prints from a digital camera with no noise added, than silver photography and despite to-ing and fro-ing between tan/stain developers and non T/S ones, I'm pretty much settled on FP4+ / hp5+ and a metol/catechol developer - there is something about the way highlight tones are rendered using a T/S stain that I dont get from perceptol. I'm sure there'll be a million people who say that is "nonsense and with good technique and d-76 exactly the same results could be gained etc etc", but from my subjective experience, that is the way I like it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon View Post
    Personal taste more than anything else. I prefer a slightly grainier/ traditional look.

    I found the delta 100/ perceptol mix almost looked like a mono water colour or dare I say it ... prints from a digital camera with no noise added, than silver photography and despite to-ing and fro-ing between tan/stain developers and non T/S ones, I'm pretty much settled on FP4+ / hp5+ and a metol/catechol developer - there is something about the way highlight tones are rendered using a T/S stain that I dont get from perceptol. I'm sure there'll be a million people who say that is "nonsense and with good technique and d-76 exactly the same results could be gained etc etc", but from my subjective experience, that is the way I like it to be.
    Thank you very much for the advice.

    I am still trying to understand tab-grain films, and I tend to agree more and more with Anchell and Troop who say that it's a scam from the manufacturers wanting to use less silver:rolleyes: .

    Once I found somewhere a description of tab films as having the tonality of "black and white TV", and to me it sounds more and more true.

    I don't believe in taking a film and raping it until it loses its main characteristics.

    If I shoot ortho, I want the contrast, no point in using low contrast developers. If I don't want grain, than I'll grab a large format camera.

    So for example if I don't want my film to look like b/w television, then I don't use tab films, instead of using bizarre/arcane developers.

    Anyways, thanks for the wonderful advice.

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    Whilst I didn't try Perceptol at either dilution, I have to thank Edge of Darkness and subsequently Barry himself for giving me the confidence to try 'sophisticated' two bath developers. These were something I long regarded as being a significant distance beyond which I could reasonably use. These fears were broken down by him doing the hard work and publishing these findings so that I could reap the rewards and move my film processing to a new level. That he made a modest amount from me as recompense for his effort troubles me not one iota and am glad that I contributed in a small way to his livelihood. When querying the thin nature of my films in Exactol Lux, he sent me one of his negatives so I could compare first hand.

    When Barry died, I was forced to seek an alternative and so Gordon Hutchings subsequently earned money from me with his book and PMK solutions.

    Things have now moved on with the internet and I commend people such as Sandy for their willingness to share the results of their toils free. It pains me when people then criticise such well meaning development specialists. I'd rather utilise their expertise and information and spend longer trying to improve the standard of my photographs, yet have a beneficial but small part of their efforts present in every one of my images.

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    Well Bloody said Baxter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter Bradford View Post
    Whilst I didn't try Perceptol at either dilution, I have to thank Edge of Darkness and subsequently Barry himself for giving me the confidence to try 'sophisticated' two bath developers. These were something I long regarded as being a significant distance beyond which I could reasonably use. These fears were broken down by him doing the hard work and publishing these findings so that I could reap the rewards and move my film processing to a new level. That he made a modest amount from me as recompense for his effort troubles me not one iota and am glad that I contributed in a small way to his livelihood. When querying the thin nature of my films in Exactol Lux, he sent me one of his negatives so I could compare first hand.

    When Barry died, I was forced to seek an alternative and so Gordon Hutchings subsequently earned money from me with his book and PMK solutions.

    Things have now moved on with the internet and I commend people such as Sandy for their willingness to share the results of their toils free. It pains me when people then criticise such well meaning development specialists. I'd rather utilise their expertise and information and spend longer trying to improve the standard of my photographs, yet have a beneficial but small part of their efforts present in every one of my images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter Bradford View Post

    When Barry died, I was forced to seek an alternative...
    I contributed as well, probably to his family since I just bought the book.

    I think that had he published his formulas, he would have not made less money though and his developers would have gained more acceptance.

    There are a lot of people like me that will NEVER mix their own developer.

    But then again, the internet was less pervasive then, so maybe he would not feel comfortable publishing formulas, I don't know.

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    i'm with Baxter...

    pierods, the alkaline afterbath is so easy to mix, worth trying out and having real life experience to draw from.

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