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    super syrup kodak d-52

    i want to mix a syrup version of d-52 ( kodak warm tone developer ) in the order of 10x - instead of the original recipe to be used at 1:1, i want to mix it for 1:9 usage ( thereabouts ).


    - does anyone foresee any problems? saturation? longetivity issues? etc


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    I doubt you could do it. First try dissolving 10X as much sulfite.
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    Why would you even consider over concentrating such a high-contrast, fast-acting developer in the first place? I doubt you can get much more activity out of it anyway.

    Do you want a syrup, as in something you can actually use to develop, or a concentrate?

    Unless you have a chem lab and specialized equipment, you'll have to buy such things from photography companies. If you don't like dealing with powders, doesn't Ilford make a concentrate for paper development?

    Kodak makes HC-110 and XTOL in liquid concentrates, but I don't think they make any paper developers as concentrates.

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    You could certainly make up a solution to dilute 1+9 because it's not a 10x strength concentrate that's require.

    I have a spreadsheet to do the calculations. I'll post the requirements in a few minutes. I make up a concentrate of ID-78 which is an Ilford Warm-tone PQ equivalent and that dissolves easily, almost the same amount of Sulphite but a bit less carbonate.

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    It's so easy it doesn't need a spread sheet. Formulae is for 1+1 therefore the working solution contains half the amounts per litre. So Just x5 gives you the concentrate for 1+9 dilution

    So concentrate:

    Metol 7.5g
    SodiumSulphite (anhyd) 112.5g
    Hydroquinone 31.5g
    Sodium Carbonate (anhyd) 75g
    Potassium Bromide 7.5g
    Water to 1 litre

    It will easily dissolve, a PQ version has slightly better keeping properties. Which was why the Agfa Neutol powder was an MQ dev and the Liquid PQ.

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    X-tol is made in liquid form?

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    Jim I think the poster hadn't grasped what El Wacho was after. Why was he going on about film developers when the post was about Warm Tone Print developer/

    Ilfords DDX equivalent of Xtol is in liquid form.

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    If I follow the inquiry I think he wants to make a syrup form of a paper developer that would keep in concentrated form like HC110 Then it could be used as needed by diluting it. which would be nice if he only uses a warm tone developer occassionally.

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    That's it in one, and it's relatively easy to do with many formulae. The reason most MQ devs are sold as powders is they have a relatively short shelf life as liquids even un-opened. The PQ equivalents have a very significantly longer shelf life as liquids unopened, and slightly better once opened.

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    hello all,


    thanks to all.


    Ian is spot on. i am currently using the PQ version and was just curious whether the MQ equivalent would produce a warmer tone, having noticed that metol produced warmer tones in some negs ( perceptol in particular, combined with the lack of sod.carbonate) than PQ film developers. the convenience of mixing a higher concentrate ( maybe the term "super syrup" was too dramatic?! ) was what prompted the question.

    am i thinking the right way about it?

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