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    Nope, from a guy named Marc. They belonged to photographer Richard C. Miller, and Mark got all his photo equipment when he retired. He is still alive at nearly 100 years old! Willy Ronis too. I think he is 97 or 98.

    I thought I had set my mac to 2.2, but I will have to double check.
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    Well we have had fun trying to sort this one out ! :

    We can date this to the early 50's : Its not in any of our TI books ( very rare ) it also has a non standard batch number ( if it had had a normal code we could still have dated it to the month of coating ). We are pretty sure therefore its a made special for the USA ( 11" is a USA size ) our font of all knowledge Martin Hadden ( joined ILFORD November 1970, and still with HARMAN ) remembers using 'waterproof base' and his opinion is that it is a paper for printing out colour aerial negs ( military product only ) it will be a double weight fibre base and that the waterproofing is actually a varnish applied to the coated product, ( KODAK did the same and called it RESIN COATED, which is accurate of course but not the RC we make nowadays ).

    Varnishing was a way of allowing multiple printing in a dish for FB ( kept it rigid ) it also improved the lie flat and the keeping properties.

    We would think the varnish will have yellowed.... and PANCHROMATIC papers are more prone to age related fog but hey !

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    Back in the early 70's there were still 3 or 4 photo-stores which specialised in surplus ex-government photo supplies. Marston & Heard, AW Young, Harringey Photographic Supplies etc. I bought quite a lot of waterproof RC bromide paper from one of them, it had a strange feel and finish but was surprisingly good quality, it wasn't at all like Ilfospeed which was released around the same time. It was sold in plain boxes, un-branded, or in large rolls.

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    Thank you for devoting the time to figure this out, Simon. It is much appreciated. Please pass my thanks along to Mr. Hadden as well.

    The paper does not seem very yellowed. In fact, some of the Kodak and DuPont paper I have that is about 10 to 15 years younger than the Ilford (stored in the same location as the Ilford Pan Bromide) has yellowed MUCH more. What I have is perhaps three zones of lost whites due to fogging. Seems the whitest I can get is a zone VII. However, since this paper will be used to make negatives in camera, this can be compensated for by the way I rate the paper, and/or simply printed through.

    Indeed, Ian. The finish is rather unique. Here is the weird part: The max. white test piece dried glossy, and the max. black test piece dried like no other finish I've ever seen on photo paper. It is not matte, not semimatte, not semigloss, not gloss, not like RC, and not like fiber. It is very reminiscent of carbon copy paper: Mostly matte, but with a slight sheen, and catches finger oil like nobody's business...but just the oil; no actual prints get embedded, as they would with most photo papers.
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    Sounds about the same, my paper was conventional bromide, but as you say a unique sort of finish. Thereis just a slight off white tinge to the images, but no real yellowing.

    As a student the paper was a real bargain at the time, and the images I still have made on the paper have lasted very well, unlike the first Ilfospeed prints I made which suffered highlight bleaching with storage.

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