Switch to English Language Passer en langue française Omschakelen naar Nederlandse Taal Wechseln Sie zu deutschen Sprache Passa alla lingua italiana
Members: 71,478   Posts: 1,571,127   Online: 1161
      
Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 20 of 20
  1. #11
    eddym's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Puerto Rico
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    1,927
    Images
    26
    I always use tongs. The bamboo ones are actually my favorites. Stay away from the stainless tongs without rubber tips, they can scratch your prints... and they don't grip very well, either. If you don't use tongs, at least get some latex gloves. Who wants smelly fingers??
    Eddy McDonald
    www.fotoartes.com
    Eschew defenestration!

  2. #12
    Anscojohn's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Shooter
    Medium Format
    Posts
    2,727
    Images
    13
    Jolynned,
    It's true, first and foremost to stick to a paper. After all, your neg is permanent and you shall always be able to reprint. But get the "feel" of one paper and developer combo. As others have said, don't worry about the "green" business: a lot of papers seem to react that way with a bromided paper developer but lose it on drying. If not, as others have said, a touch of dilute selenium toner get's the greens out very nicely, thank you very much, if you find the Dektol greenies too much for your tastes.
    I am still hoarding some of the older Seagull in the freezer which I bought when the French-made Zone VI became unavailable. I have no experience with the newer stuff. But the OD-62 paper developer recommended by Oriental for the older stuff had more bromide in it than Dektol-like D-72, so I suspect the greens were not a problem with that paper.
    John, Mount Vernon, Virginia USA

  3. #13

    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Toronto
    Shooter
    Medium Format
    Posts
    187
    I find most papers look much better in Dektol mixed 1:1, as opposed to 1:2. At 1:1 print color is neutral and blacks are very rich. At 1:2 papers took on a greenish cast that needed selenium toning to remove. I can't think of a single paper where 1:2 looks better, in fact.

  4. #14

    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Westport, MA.
    Shooter
    Large Format
    Posts
    1,063
    It's all good in dektol. I use Ethol LPD religiously but dektol is fine. I liked Oriental but have only purchased 1 25 sheet pack. Forte FB was my favorite.
    I'll be purchasing some arista.edu ultra RC paper soon as it's the most reasonably priced offering out there as of right now. I'd love some 16x20 Ilford Warmtone FB but I can't afford $250 for 50 sheets.. $250 is what I spend in a year on materials (paper, chemicals, film).

    I'd like to try the Slavich as well as the Fotokemika offerings but have no experience with them as of yet.

  5. #15

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Daventry, Northamptonshire, England
    Shooter
    35mm
    Posts
    7,109
    I went on two courses at college for B&W. As far as the chems were concerned, none of us used tongs. Smelly fingers would be the worse that can happen but your fingers will be in water often enough that I don't think that even the smell will stay. Unless you are in the unlucky minority whose skin suffers from any kind of immersion in normal strength darkroom chems I think that fingers will be fine. It was for about 50 of us.

    pentaxuser

  6. #16

    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Missouri
    Shooter
    Medium Format
    Posts
    138
    Images
    2
    Thanks to everyone for your replies.

    You all make good points - I do need to dig out my tongs and bring them to the lab with me. I'm also nursing a baby right now and the idea of using my fingers makes me uncomfortable.

    Thanks to Jim and John for the tip about selenium to get the green out.

    Marco, that's interesting about the dillution difference. I'm not sure what they mix it at at school but I'll check.
    ~Jodi~

  7. #17

    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Willamette Valley, Oregon
    Shooter
    Medium Format
    Posts
    3,684
    Quote Originally Posted by jolynned View Post
    ...the school darkroom doesn't have tongs and we're
    just supposed to use our fingers.
    I'd have no problem with that. Leave yourself a little
    finger nail. I find some handy.

    I think tongs and deep long sinks must have come
    along about the same time. Tongs? Deep long sinks?
    What for? Dan

  8. #18

    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Chicago, Western Suburbs
    Shooter
    4x5 Format
    Posts
    1,453
    Dear Jodi,

    Buy cheap paper and bring tongs. Unless your negatives are way off, Arista paper should have the contrast range you need. I personally hate to smell my hands after soaking them in dektol/stop/fixer and the smell doesn't go away very quickly. Tongs are easy to use but I find that examination gloves work great when doing color in total darkness.

    Neal Wydra

  9. #19

    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    16,849
    Images
    27
    Quote Originally Posted by jim appleyard View Post
    BTW, I don't know of a paper that doesn't do well in Dektol.
    you can say that again ..

    the only paper i have had a green cast to in dektol or ansco 130 was azo paper.
    don't worry about cheep paper vs. expensive paper, it all works well.
    i am still using the cheepest paper i can find, which was rebranded
    ilford multigrade i got when photowarehouse was selling cuts
    off of master rolls ...

    regarding fingers in chemicals ...

    it is best to use tongs, but there are times when you have to get your fingers
    in the soup ... and it won't kill you. examination gloves work well, and
    a box of them can be bought at your local drug store for not much money.

    john

    ps. i never use toners cause i think they are about as nasty a chemical
    as you can get. if toned my prints, i would use gloves AND tongs!

  10. #20

    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Valley Stream, NY
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    3,216
    There isn't anything you can't do with Dektol. I've yet to find a paper that doesn't work well in Dektol. Many of the boutique developers that people rave about are Dektol clones with sexy names or slight variances on the formula. Arista.EDU Ultra is the bargain basement brand from Freestyle. One hundred sheets or fiber based VC paper will set you back $53 US. That's pretty good for fiber based paper, and it's good paper. It's pretty good on the soft end, but it won't reach a true grade 5 with Kodak or Ilford variable contrast filters. It won't do it with color heads either. I don't think it can reach a grade 5 with any light source. But that doesn't matter much. If you need more than a grade 3 to 3 1/2 to print a "normal" negative, something else is wrong. It will do everything that Ilford's MGIV will do, and it actually changes tone in selenium. MGIV doesn't change very much.
    Frank Schifano

Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12


 

APUG PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Contact Us  |  Support Us!  |  Advertise  |  Site Terms  |  Archive  —   Search  |  Mobile Device Access  |  RSS  |  Facebook  |  Linkedin