Colin, dilute Rodinal and stand/semi-stand MAY be one way to get around this, another would be to use one of the pyro devs or something like dilute D-23. Or, the scenc could simply be beyond the range of the film; beyond its ability to record the differences between the dark and light areas.
Here's a thread that is a fun read:http://photo.net/black-and-white-pho...g-forum/00RQbd
Well, Gort seems to have made the OP, but his name was really Gnut. (read "Farewell to the Master" to figure that one out ) In any event, I say use what works for you. Not what someone else suggests.
Semi-stand 1:50, I buy it by the case and I have been using it for over thirty years beginning with Panatomic-X, by far the best combination of all time.
Everytime I find a film or paper that I like, they discontinue it. - Paul Strand - Aperture monograph on Strand
Very true, the pyro developers are good at extreme compensation too. Pyrocat-MC and HD are the ones I have experience with. They are not that good at stand development, though, in my experience. I had more occurrences of uneven development using Pyrocat for stand (semistand with 3min agitation intervals worked just fine) than with Rodinal.
I think at least Pyrocat was more designed for continuous agitation rather than minimal agitation.
Even so, just in normal development schemes, with agitation once per minute, Pyrocat is an awesome developer for compensation.
Originally Posted by jim appleyard
"Make good art!"
- Neil Gaiman
"...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera".
- Yousuf Karsh
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit".
Thanks for directing me to the source of Gort...very cool...it appears the movie was lifted almost directly from that author's work. I still like Gort the best though (smiling here).
Originally Posted by Photo Engineer
About your advice above...yes, exactly and its been my path all along. Experiment then print and look then know what works for you. Simple and effective. Did you think PE that I was looking to be told what to do? If so its not the case and not the spirit of the post.
Will you contribute your Rodinal experience to the thread?
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Well, MH, I don't use Rodinal although I have mixed up several batches experimentally to look at it chemically. I understood your intent from the OP though. I was just chiming in.
BTW, the last line of the book is quite chilling and is the reason for the title "Farewell to the Master". The woman walks over to the robot and says "Tell your master I said goodbye" and the robot, for the first time, turns and speaks. He says "You misunderstand, I am the master!" Only showing that if you create someone to have power over you, he will use it and become the master. So, the novelette had a double entendre and is appropriate here.
Don't let another's techniques become your master. Do what works and become your own master! That is the thought that ran through my mind as I read these posts.
How did you meter?
Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson
How did you meter the scenes in the cathedral? Did you know in advance that you would use Rodinal and stand development? I'm having trouble getting consistant results. Consistant from picture to picture. Varying light & brightness ranges for sure. I was just curious if I need to do something different with my metering for the 1:100 stand technique.
Flat, even light and underexposure seem to give me the best negatives. I am also interested in church interiors. So far, I haven't had much luck.
30 seconds initial and then 2 soft inversions per minute works great for me.
1+50 w/ Tri-x in small tanks.
Thanks for these posts...very interesting. I think the trend for agitating Rodinal with Tri-X is beginning to appear...looks like every other minute and very gently is what is working for most (or thats how I'm interpreting this). I've just changed from 2 pretty agressive inversions per minute to one gentler inversion every other minute and already the results show a difference. Negs are hanging and I can't wait to see the 11X14's.
Thread is still open to anyone who wants to contribute...