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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    There's another thread all about this that I created recently, but I can tell you for sure that you're absolutely incorrect. The time it takes to exhaust the dev in a given area by sitting for one minute vs constantly being replenished having no exhaustion gives completely different edge details, highlight details, shadow details, and grain structure changes.

    Anyway I don't want to argue about it, just wanted to clarify something for myself and have now done so. If you disagree with my above statement, that's fine, but we will have to agree to disagree. Please continue discussing Ansco130 without me
    Stone, I did not mean to argue or cause any offence to you, and I sincerely apologise if you have felt offended by my statements. Nonetheless, I do not feel that "for sure
    I am completely incorrect". Let me stress, that as long as we are *not* talking about stand development, but about normal inversion agitation processing, as recommended by manufacturers, that is a few good inversions every 30 sec, to no less than every 1 minute, then the effect you would get would be quite equivalent to that of rotary development, once you have shortened the duration of the development. As a plus, as I have pointed out, rotary would give you more consistency and less scope for error. By the way, I have discussed the matter of this difference between rotary vs inversion processing with John Sexton, a while ago, and he seemed to think along the same lines.

    I would like to know what evidence you have to state that the results would be significantly different when we consider these two approaches. Have you, actually, done a side-by-side comparison?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafal Lukawiecki View Post
    Stone, I did not mean to argue or cause any offence to you, and I sincerely apologise if you have felt offended by my statements. Nonetheless, I do not feel that "for sure
    I am completely incorrect". Let me stress, that as long as we are *not* talking about stand development, but about normal inversion agitation processing, as recommended by manufacturers, that is a few good inversions every 30 sec, to no less than every 1 minute, then the effect you would get would be quite equivalent to that of rotary development, once you have shortened the duration of the development. As a plus, as I have pointed out, rotary would give you more consistency and less scope for error. By the way, I have discussed the matter of this difference between rotary vs inversion processing with John Sexton, a while ago, and he seemed to think along the same lines.

    I would like to know what evidence you have to state that the results would be significantly different when we consider these two approaches. Have you, actually, done a side-by-side comparison?
    No offense, just don't feel like re-hashing or repeating and thread jacking.

    My hand technique does not follow normal agitation recommendations, depends on each film but often the pattern is 1:1:2:1:1:2:1:1:2:1:1 where it's one minute between agitations, and then 2 minutes and also my "agitation" is not 3-4 inversions in 10 seconds it is one inversion only, very gently, over a 10 second period.

    So it is closer to stand I would suppose, but adding a finer grained result than stand, which is sharp but grainy, mine is fine-ish but sharp edges, with what I can only describe as contrast in highlights unlike normal "blow out" or normal tonality, I don't have the word for the look I strive for, except it changes drastically even adjusting times with my current use of Rodinal. So I'm switching.

    Nuff said, no offense taken or given, I will move forward regardless, I am now determined. "I am the decider and I have decided!" As a movie quote says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    No offense, just don't feel like re-hashing or repeating and thread jacking.

    My hand technique does not follow normal agitation recommendations, depends on each film but often the pattern is 1:1:2:1:1:2:1:1:2:1:1 where it's one minute between agitations, and then 2 minutes and also my "agitation" is not 3-4 inversions in 10 seconds it is one inversion only, very gently, over a 10 second period.
    Thanks for clarifying, and I also apologise if I made you "thread jack". I was merely hoping to address the point you made in post #154, which I read to say that you felt that Ansco 130 would not work in rotary processing, since I believe it would. Regarding your unorthodox agitation regime, I would definitely agree that it would not give you results that manufacturer-recommended agitation does, which tends to be much more vigorous, and more similar, in my experience, to rotary processing results. However, I fully respect your technique choice, and I expect great results from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafal Lukawiecki View Post
    Thanks for clarifying, and I also apologise if I made you "thread jack". I was merely hoping to address the point you made in post #154, which I read to say that you felt that Ansco 130 would not work in rotary processing, since I believe it would. Regarding your unorthodox agitation regime, I would definitely agree that it would not give you results that manufacturer-recommended agitation does, which tends to be much more vigorous, and more similar, in my experience, to rotary processing results. However, I fully respect your technique choice, and I expect great results from you.


    Maybe I'll use Ansco130 as my choice of print dev someday

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    Hi cookie jar ...
    I learned 35*\- years ago. 1 full minutes
    doing lazy eights then 10 seconds every minute ..
    then I met others who were told 1 full min, then 5 seconds every ½min ...
    People like to develop the way they like after they learn ( or don't learn )
    the basics ...if you read the thread the person who was confident was referring to
    a thread regarding rotary development and he anted his film to look a certain way
    not really hand tank development .. he had just gotten the machine
    and was getting the bugs.out of his process ...
    he also had restrictions regarding which chemicals
    he could or couldn't use ( wasn't permitted to mix dry powders )

    the beauty of photography is nothing is really set in stone ... you can
    follow manufactures recommendations or your pals' or something random on the interweb,
    or make something up yourself ....
    if you look back to the beginnings of this thread
    more than a decade ago you will see I was one of the few( maybe the only?)
    person using a130 for film. People here and there discouraged its use for film ...
    but I made my own recommendations which 13 years later people modified for their own use ...
    Recommendations are starting points, even those printed on boxes,bottles, and pouches ...
    have fun !
    Ps. I don't use a130 much these days. Being broke has
    brought me back to dektol ...
    and while I made the mistake of DRINKING instant coffee
    while our power was out for 3 days, I will stick to developing
    my film in it ��
    Last edited by jnanian; 08-07-2015 at 06:29 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    and while I made the mistake of DRINKING instant coffee
    while our power was out for 3 days, I will stick to developing
    my film in it 

    I drink it every day. I'm such a neanderthal I've never grasped the aura of the bean. Its a tool to leverage me out of bed, not a gourmet beverage. YMMV, and of course it does.

    Sorry for the interruption..carry on...
    Nice work. You have a very talented computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    I drink it every day. I'm such a neanderthal I've never grasped the aura of the bean. Its a tool to leverage me out of bed, not a gourmet beverage. YMMV, and of course it does.

    Sorry for the interruption..carry on...
    Hi Wayne ... Maybe it was the brand ( stop and shop medium roast instant "
    or most likely it was because I just used tap water like warm directly out of the
    sillcock/spigot to mix I with .. I am guessing it is my methodology..and drinking it
    Black/straight... Thankfully I didn't drink.any OJ or.brush my teeth with baking soda ..
    I'm too negative already! ��

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