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    The "Metallic" look with a black and white film?

    How does one come by the iridescent / metallic look of an Ilochrome / Cibachrome in a traditional black and white print?

    In a perfect world, this would be a material I could print directly on from a black and white negative.

    Does such an animal exist or am I looking at the dreaded Hybrid?

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    Actually, the closest look is RC. Then after that there is nothing in between but you could hand coat B&W on YUPO a product almost identical to the Ilfochrome support.

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    A metallic look can have a lot to do with how you expose and light your subject... how contrast is used. Try pushing your film two stops. Look at the work of Per Volquartz; he has produced very metallic looking peppers and so forth. We discussed it, and he thinks that a big part of the look comes from the push. I have seen similar results myself by pushing hp5+ a stop or two (albeit in 5x7 format). And I don't use RC, and I don't use glossy anything.
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    The duraflex material had the same look, it's the polyester support. I don't think there is a current product on that base.

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    Thanks for the answers, I am considering this toner approach as well:

    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/18383-...kes-1-2-Gallon

    Might look great on gloss RC.

    The images I want to do this with are not unlike my avatar, high contrast, strong blacks, not a full gray scale.

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    Are you asking about creating a "CHROMOSKEDASIC COLOR EFFECT PRINTING"? Or redeposit of metalic silver?

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    PKM-25,

    PE was right... but RC won't do it.
    If you want the ilfochrome look, you really should print on ilfochrome!
    There is no substitute for the real thing!


    The peppers and Ipomoea alba (or whatever the taxonomists are calling it these days), look metallic, but that has nothing to do with the cibachrome look.
    I would say pushing is not really the key either...
    I think that look comes from the lighting... or lighting effect;
    or at least, could be produced that way...

    which way being... an extreamly diffuse light source very close to the subject...
    the moon flower has a sort of built in diffuser, being somwhat waxy IIRC.

    The Rockland product you mentioned is also something completely different.

    Three different looks... and none can immitate the others.
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    Well of course, so how does one go about printing from a black and white negative onto Ilfochrome then?

    The only way I can think is to create a transparency via the DR5 process....

    I was hoping there was a cheaper process like coming straight off of a negative onto metallic print that would not render my black and white film a transparency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Rogers View Post
    PE was right... but RC won't do it.
    If you want the ilfochrome look, you really should print on ilfochrome!
    There is no substitute for the real thing!
    Last edited by PKM-25; 05-07-2009 at 10:01 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    What if you leave it in the developer for like an hour? It will acquire a silver look then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    Well of course, so how does one go about printing from a black and white negative onto Ilfochrome then?
    Just enlarge your neg onto a sheet of b&w film and you'll have a transparency that might print decently to ilfochrome, I suppose. This 'interpositive' may need a contrast boost though; typically it will not have the sort of density you see in a b&w slide.
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