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    I have never encountered quality problems with Efke films, except I don't like the sausage curl of the 120-films. Ten years ago they were perfectly flat. Perhaps Fotokemika changed the film base, or they stopped coating the back with a non-curling layer?

    Regarding pinholes in the emulsion, do you get that on the 100 ASA film as well, or only on the slower thin emulsion films? Do you use an acid stop bath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Röhling View Post
    Yugoslavia was an associated member of Comecon and thus economically in a certain sense part of the Soviet bloc.
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    There was the former soviet union, which disolved into the CIS and now a group of independent countries, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

    Then there were the "Iron Curtain" countries which were Not part of the soviet block, but had close relationships with the former Soviet union and less trade with the reast of europe. DDR (est Germany) Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and several other countries mostly in the Baltic regions. Some were invaded from time to time by the USSR to keep them in line mind you, (Hungary comes to mind)

    Many of what we think of as Russian cameras were actually made elsewhere in the former soviet union.

    The difference is important as many of the Iron Curtain countries are now part of the EU and in some cases NATO. FOMA for example marks their products made in the Czech republic as "made in Europe"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmacd123 View Post
    There was the former soviet union, which disolved into the CIS and now a group of independent countries, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

    Then there were the "Iron Curtain" countries which were Not part of the soviet block,
    It may be my lacking understanding of English, but I would make a difference between the Soviet Union and the Soviet block (which in a military sense I would roughly define as the Warsaw Pact and in an economical sense as the Comecon).

    but had close relationships with the former Soviet union and less trade with the reast of europe. DDR (est Germany) Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and several other countries mostly in the Baltic regions.
    But there is a big difference: Yugoslavia was not part of the the Warsaw Pact like the GDR and Czechoslovakia.

    The difference is important as many of the Iron Curtain countries are now part of the EU and in some cases NATO.
    So, where's the difference? Some of the former states of the Soviet Union are also part of the EU and the NATO.

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    1. EFKE is from Zagreb, Croatia, which at the time was in Yugoslavia, which newer was a part of Soviet bloc.


    I never meant to stir up any trouble, possibly I should have said Former communist eastern european country.
    I understand that Tito was much more open to the west and parts of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia were quite liberal. But there was some repression I think of the Croatians in the early 70's and a student movement was put down just as in Prague a few years earlier (although by Tito not by Russia).

    But my point was mainly that as far as I know the machinery used to make EFKE films in the 1950's is the same machinery used to make Adox films in this century- capitalist western nations obviously didn't invest heavily in Fotokemika.

    Sorry if I upset any Croatians, that was not the point of my post please accept my apologies.

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    Fotokemika started in 1947 but used that former Adox machinery not earlier as 1970.

    They took it over from Dupont who themselves acquired the Adox company in 1962.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Antony View Post

    I never meant to stir up any trouble, possibly I should have said Former communist eastern european country.
    I understand that Tito was much more open to the west and parts of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia were quite liberal. But there was some repression I think of the Croatians in the early 70's and a student movement was put down just as in Prague a few years earlier (although by Tito not by Russia).

    But my point was mainly that as far as I know the machinery used to make EFKE films in the 1950's is the same machinery used to make Adox films in this century- capitalist western nations obviously didn't invest heavily in Fotokemika.

    Sorry if I upset any Croatians, that was not the point of my post please accept my apologies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    Fotokemika started in 1947 but used that former Adox machinery not earlier as 1970.
    They took it over from Dupont who themselves acquired the Adox company in 1962.
    I started using 35mm film in the late 60's and adox was one of the brands I often found in stores as being sold at a discount for being short dated. The last batch I found of those would have been made in the 70s .. Those boxes refered to dupont, who I understand wanted the ADOX company for making industrial films. The ADOX products disappeared at that time, and the EFKE film did not show up anywhere that I saw until 10 years later. The ADOX chemicals which included a developer which came pre measured in a small one use bottle (I believe it was called E-10) never seemed to come back.

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    `New´ Fotokemika states that `old´ Fotokemika started pruduction of films in 1957 and acquired licences from Dupont in 1970. That does not neccessarily mean that they started production on the imported german machinery the same year. Though, I thought so.

    Perhaps Fotokemika served a regional market first for all kinds of their films and thus you did not come across Efke films around that time.

    Could it be that Dupunt used the Adox brand beyond 1970 for films produced in their US coating plant?
    Last edited by AgX; 05-16-2009 at 01:57 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgX View Post
    Perhaps Fotokemika served a regional market first for all kinds of their films and thus you did not come across Efke films around that time.

    Could it be that Dupunt used the Adox brand beyond 1970 for films produced in their US coating plant?
    I will have to see if I still have the one box I saved from that time period, and check the expiry date. I recall that I had the impression that it was German made film. Dupont had phased out their pictorial films some time earlier.

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    Here in this link is a found 1950's film the box clearly says made in Germany
    http://photo-utopia.blogspot.com/200...2_archive.html
    You have to click on the photos to make them larger.
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