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    Kentmere Bromide compared to ILFOBROM GALERIE

    Having printed the same negative on both Bromide and Galerie earlier in the week, the Kentmere paper , although nominally grade 2 gives a stronger, more dynamic look, whereas the grade 3 ILFORD paper develops to a more subtle or nuanced look. The paper developer was Moersch SE6, and the negative Delta 400 / Pyrocat-HD.

    Any other views on the two papers and how they compare?

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    Kentmere bromide vs Galerie

    This feels like a real coincidense. Just about an hour ago I came up from my sacred underground cave ( my darkroom ! ) after an entire days work with exactly the same paper types that you mention. I agree with you that the Kentmere paper at grade 2 is much more contrasty than Galerie 3 . To me the Kentmere feels more like a grade 4 paper. I have seen this difference before when I tried Kentmere Variable Contrast together with Ilford Multigrade. Without contrast filtering the Kentmere gave almost an entire grade more contrast than Ilford. The Galerie paper gives, as you point out, beautiful nuances and also a very slight warmth to the tone when dried.
    As for fixed grade papers I will stick to Galerie , both grade 2 and 3.
    I wish Multigrade could give the same top quality. It comes close but doesn´t
    go all the way. Perhaps the new ADOX MCC can do the trick when it is on the market this automn. By the way, I used Neopan ACROS negatives and developed the paper in dektol.

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    I haven't compared the two grades directly but the thing I like about Bromide is the number of grades you can get. I find galerie limited to grade 3 in most sizes. I do like the look of it though.

    I go back on forth depending on my mood but keep both in the darkroom. I only use graded papers because my 8x10 enlarger has a cold head and doesn't work that well with filters. I'm now using graded paper for everything even the small negative on the other enlarger... it keeps things a bit simpler and I don't need to keep the MG papers in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Skeoch View Post
    ...the thing I like about Bromide is the number of grades you can get...
    Not only is the continued availability of Bromide doubtful, it's almost certain that, if new batches are coated, grade 4 will not be included. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Santamaura View Post
    Not only is the continued availability of Bromide doubtful,
    it's almost certain that, if new batches are coated, grade
    4 will not be included. Good luck.
    Emaks and Slavich are available Graded. From reading
    posts this thread, Galerie and Emaks should be compared.
    I've held off buying Galerie due to it's high price. I was
    quite impressed with Emaks, a high sheen mat dried,
    very good blacks, and the flattest of four papers
    out of the wrapper.

    Slavich is even more contrasty than Kentmere's Bromide
    while Emaks's character is, from reading the posts, much
    like Gallerie. About to order some more Emaks. Any Emaks
    user contributions? I hope it is not crowded out by all
    those 'new kids on the bloc'. Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancqu View Post
    Any Emaks
    user contributions? I hope it is not crowded out by all
    those 'new kids on the bloc'. Dan
    Emaks grade 2, double paper weight is my number one paper. Since I am originally from Croatia, maybe I am not objective - but it is best value for money you can get (at least in Croatia).

    Very, very worm tones (FB), and excellent contrast. Emaks grade 2 has bigger contrast than ilfospeed grade 2 and some foma grade 2 paper that I tried (don't remember now exactly wich).

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    As one might expect (sheet film being an exception), the ILFORD products are generally competitively priced in the UK compared to other markets.

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    emaks

    I thought the emaks #3 was actually on the cold side...especially compared to the varycon paper by the same mfg. company...to me varycon kicks butt
    just used gallerie for the first time in years and while it is still a good paper the older forte was way better...just one mans opinion
    Best, Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kershaw View Post
    ILFORD products are generally competitively priced
    in the UK compared to other markets. Tom.
    Emaks $15, Galerie $39; 25 sheets 8x10. That's from
    Freestyle. What are USA Galerie users doing?
    Substadizing foreign purchasers? Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dancqu View Post
    Emaks $15, Galerie $39; 25 sheets 8x10. That's from
    Freestyle. What are USA Galerie users doing?
    Substadizing foreign purchasers? Dan
    Consider that Ilford is made in the UK, the UK is a unionized first world country, so labour rates are high, the equipment is first rate, and the quality control is second to none. Emaks paper is made in Eastern Europe where the entire region was put in a time capsule in the 1950's and held there by the might of the Armed Forces of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, until the turn of the century. Labour rates are low, the machinery is elderly and quality control sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.
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