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    11x14 - Which Companies Make This Size Paper?

    After seeing another thread regarding the largest size print you make in your darkroom, I noticed quite a number of APUGers who print up to 11x14.

    This size doesn't seem to be ultra popular here in Australia - I see some packs now and then at my local stores; the more common size seems to be 12x16.

    I have some Fotospeed and am using my final sheets of Agfa paper, but I'd like to know who else produces this size and which brands you prefer.

    I realise it's all personal preference, but I'm interested in everyone's opinion to give me some feedback on each brand and why you personally like Brand X over Brand Y and/or Z.

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    Have a read of the other threads - there are two. 11x14 is a US size, 12x16 is the UK/European size, Australia would usually import 12x16. 11x14 is rare in the UK/Europe. So all companies probably cut 1x14 specifically for the US market.

    12x16 is a far more practical size, particularly as cut in half 8x12 is perfect for 35mm negs.

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    I print 11 x 14 a lot and in my experience that size has never or rarely been available in Australia in the last 25 years. 9 1/2 x 12 and 12 x16 being the most common. I have imported all my 11 x 14 and have about 4 boxes of Agfa MCC 50s left in my stockpile and a few boxes of Ilford warmtone. The freight cost can be off-putting but once you work out the cost per sheet it's not a lot different to buying locally and can even be cheaper. It also pays to experiment with different quantities and where the clip levels are with freight. I usually save up and buy a reasonable amount and keep it in the fridge or freezer. Initially B&H but lately Freestyle in LA whose shipping time is amazing. Most recent order took only 3 days to arrive.

    I am hoping the ADOX MCC replacement will be in good supply by the time I run out. Agfa MCC is my favourite of all the papers I have tried so if I can't get a similar replacement I will have to experiment more. Doing quite a bit of FOMA in 16x20 lately but I haven't quite mastered contrast control yet. The blacks "fall off a cliff" pretty fast in my experience and the middle is a bit bland and mushy (technical terms!!). For me, FOMA is not nearly as good as Agfa or Ilford but still working on getting the most out of it.
    I think Les Porter might have 11x14 RC Kentmere available but not 11x14 in FB. I have never used Kentmere so can't give an opinion on that paper.

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    I wish that every paper was available as 12x16 here. It would replace both 8x10 and 11x14 for me, as I would cut it in half if I needed 8x paper. The 3:4 ratio would also allow me to make maximum use of the paper area with my 6x4.5 negs. I will try some of the papers available from Freestyle soon, though I hate switching around a lot from my standards: Emaks, Oriental, and Ilford Warmtone.
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    I'm with Tony & generally buy 11x14 from Freestyle. Also agree with Ian that 12x16 is a very useful size. I like Emaks Varycon & Kentmere for RC & Ilford MGIV in FB. 9.5x12 is perfect for proofing but is stupidly expensive in Sydney & not stocked by Freestyle, so I trim 11x14 & have plenty of test strips. As far as print size goes I suppose everyone needs to try a few sizes & see what suits them. I do like 11x14 because it looks big compared to 8x10 but is easy to handle & store; of course I also just like the way the prints look on it.

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    Good point on the proofing Goldie. I still buy RC glossy locally in 9.5x12 for proofing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Egan View Post
    Good point on the proofing Goldie. I still buy RC glossy locally in 9.5x12 for proofing.
    Proofing contact sheets or enlarged single negatives?

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    Wow, never realized that paper sizes were such geographicly varied items.

    I too am driven nuts by the lack of 35mm ratio compatable papers here in the US. All of our papers here seem to be stuck on the 4:5 ratio of traditional large format cameras. Even worse; finding properly sized frames. As if 35mm does not stretch enlargements enough, the need to shoot loose and crop in the darkroom just makes it worse. And it is a tremendous waste of money cutting up all that paper!

    Indeed 12x16 would be a very usefull size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteZ8 View Post
    Wow, never realized that paper sizes were such geographicly varied items.

    I too am driven nuts by the lack of 35mm ratio compatable papers here in the US. All of our papers here seem to be stuck on the 4:5 ratio of traditional large format cameras. Even worse; finding properly sized frames. As if 35mm does not stretch enlargements enough, the need to shoot loose and crop in the darkroom just makes it worse. And it is a tremendous waste of money cutting up all that paper!

    Indeed 12x16 would be a very usefull size.
    You don't "need" to shoot loose and crop. Just cut your own mats. It's cheap and easy. IMO, a 2:3 (or 3:4) pic looks just as good, if not better, in a 4:5 frame than a 4:5 pic does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Egan View Post
    Good point on the proofing Goldie. I still buy RC glossy locally in 9.5x12 for proofing.
    What do you pay, about $90 for 50 sheets of Ilford? Compare it to what you can get in 11x14 RC from Freestyle & I reckon you'll find it a better deal, assuming you're ordering a few other items as well to even out the postage.

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