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    Thanks for all the advice. Im reading the ilford pdf on how to develop and it mentions using stop bath and rapid fixer solution. I seem to remember reading that one of these isn't that necessary.... is that true or am I making things up??

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    Acid stop bath is unnecessary, you can use 3 good rinses (3, 5 and 10 inversions, respectively) of plain water instead. You must fix.

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    I personally do recommend stop, but it is true that it is not necessary. I believe that you will get more predictable results, especially starting out, by using stop. There are many here who disagree and it is not at all necessary.

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    Start with using a Stop Bath.

    Stop is cheap and you have lots of other things to control which are far more important to the outcome

    Something others seem to have overlooked is temperature of the chemicals.

    Developer temperature is as important as time (the two are related) - and try and keep all the chemicals and first wash water within 1 or 2degC of each other.

    Never subject the film to Thermal Shock - where the emulsion can micro-craze - each step should be within 2C of the previous one.

    Starting to develop your own film is great fun and fairly easy to do - its just needs a bit of practice

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisispants View Post
    Hi...sorry to annoy people who may read posts like this regularly.... but Ive searched and am struggling to find a simple explanation of what I need (chemicles and hardware) to develop B&W film.

    Maybe Im choosing the wrong search words.

    Any advice...or if you know of previous threads on apug that answer the question would be awesome.
    Get a basic photo textbook. Seems like a logical place to start, no? They are dirt cheap everywhere as long you buy used and old. Try "Photography" by London and Upton, or Upton and Upton in some editions. You will learn from a textbook so much better than from piecing together hints, trick, and tips from the Internet...and then you get to read the whole rest of the book as well...and you get to stimulate your local economy (or the national one, if you get it on the Internet).

    This question is far too common. I wonder if the Internet has made people forget how to read a real book...or think that since they no longer have to, they no longer should.
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    Keep a notebook and take notes of when the chemical were mixed, how many rolls processed with the set of chemicals, temperatures and development time. What you did right, what you did wrong ... everything. You will find this is one of the best things you can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    Get a basic photo textbook. Seems like a logical place to start, no? They are dirt cheap everywhere as long you buy used and old. Try "Photography" by London and Upton, or Upton and Upton in some editions. You will learn from a textbook so much better than from piecing together hints, trick, and tips from the Internet...and then you get to read the whole rest of the book as well...and you get to stimulate your local economy (or the national one, if you get it on the Internet).

    This question is far too common. I wonder if the Internet has made people forget how to read a real book...or think that since they no longer have to, they no longer should.
    Really nice welcome there. Why not make him feel welcome here on APUG instead of getting on a soap box? I personally would welcome more questions like the OPs as it means APUG is viewed as the defacto source for traditional film and paper processing on the net. Give the guy welcoming advice or don't post anything at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gr82bart View Post
    Really nice welcome there. Why not make him feel welcome here on APUG instead of getting on a soap box? I personally would welcome more questions like the OPs as it means APUG is viewed as the defacto source for traditional film and paper processing on the net. Give the guy welcoming advice or don't post anything at all.

    Regards, Art.
    Surely he can handle one traditionally-minded grump among the sea of enablers without caving in. Teaching is not just giving out desired information. It is also teaching people the art and practice of learning. If he can't just take my post for what it is - an opinion - then he should stay away from Internet forums.
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    "Maybe Im choosing the wrong search words."

    2F/2F offered the best advice. Short of a comprehensive course at a local h.s. or college (good luck with that!), a textbook will be the most efficient method for a motivated student wanting to learn how to manage the multifarious variables that make up photography, with film development being only one important component of the the process.

    I don't use a stop bath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    This question is far too common. I wonder if the Internet has made people forget how to read a real book...or think that since they no longer have to, they no longer should.
    Pre-Amazon, I would walk into a book store, look around, leaf through the selections and buy the book that seemed best suited to my need.

    Post-Amazon, I drive past the empty places that used to have book stores, wander through B&N without finding anything related and go home disappointed. Then I'll hit google, find 1200 titles that may or may not work and then, maybe, play credit card roulette and order one.

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