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    Quote Originally Posted by thisispants View Post
    I'm organising to develop my first roll of film and I'm not sure which developer I should get. Ive downloaded the ilford pdf which explains the steps really clearly, but Im unsure which developer would suit my needs. I guess because I'm starting upm I'll need a very general but good developer.... liquid of powder? Is the Ilford Ilfotec HC any good for most situations? OR should I go the powder Ilford ID-11.....which is explained as the "standard pwder".

    Any advice would be cool. thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Budding View Post
    XTOL.

    With reference to wogster's post too, when I came back to darkroom work after many decades I choose Kodak XTOL undiluted because it produces the finest grain over most of the black & white films. I have used it for several Kodak and Fuji films both 35mm and 120. I have been very happy with the results and the graininess. As I posted previous I am planning to try Pyro Rollo and depending on the results make a choice.

    So choose in developer, find the film you like the best and learn that real well. Only then shart making changes.

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    I used D-76, primarily, for years, with 35mm films; a great developer that can be used successfully with just about any film. Currently, after a long hiatus from developing, I'm using XTOL (1:1), and sometimes Rodinal (1:50) — both with very satisfying results, still with 35mm (mostly Tri-X and Neopan 400).

    Note: XTOL developer stock and subsequent dilution is mixed with distilled water; same with Rodinal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    ... it's far more important to just choose 1 developer and 1 film to begin with while you master basic techniques.

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    This statement is important enough to be repeated every day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anscojohn View Post
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    D76/Id-11 be the standard against which all film developers are compared. Use it until you know it.
    I'm trying for the 20 years! Getting closer... any minute now... any minute now.
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    Pyrocat-HD for 90% of my stuff with D-76 rounding it out. Every once in awhile I get kinky and use Rodinal LOL.
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    My standard developer is Ilfotec HC, and formerly Kodak HC-110, which is near identical.

    Before that, I used D-76, and then ID-11.

    Both are good. I like HC better because it is more convenient, more consistent, more contrasty, and I always get near 100% use out of the bottle.

    I think I remember figuring out one time that at dilution B, it is actually not cheaper than D-76 1:1. This is assuming 100% usage of the D-76.

    I will go through the math again to make sure.

    HC-110, dilution B (1:31): $14.69 makes four U.S. gallons of working solution, or $0.92 per U.S. quart.

    D-76, 1:1: $6.09 makes two U.S. gallons of working solution, or $0.76 per U.S. quart.

    Ilfotec HC, 1:31: $38.99 makes 32 L of working solution, or $1.22 per liter.

    ID-11, 1:1: $10.99 makes 10 L of working solution, or $1.10 per liter.

    So, Kodak D-76 is the most economical developer, assuming 100% usage.

    Additionally, if you use raw chemicals, you can easily make D-76 much cheaper, while the formula for HC is not published.

    You can also use higher dilutions of any of these developers.

    For some reason, Freestyle lists the 16 oz. HC-110 as making two gallons. This is a mistake due to lack of clarity. It does not do this unless you are using dilution A. It makes 1/2 gallon of stock solution. 1/2 gallon of stock solution mixed 1:7 into dilution B makes four gallons of working solution.

    Here is what Freestyle has to say about HC-110 (same as Ilfotec HC):

    "Fine grain, sharp working formula supplied as syrupy liquid concentrate. Good enough for Ansel Adams! Kodak HC-110 is a liquid-concentrate film developer introduced around 1965 and widely used ever since, particularly in photojournalism and fine-art photography.HC-110's selling points are ease of use, versatility, and reliability. The concentrate keeps for years; it's easy to mix up enough developer for one roll at a time; all types of black-and-white film can be developed with HC-110; and results are consistent. Compared to D-76, this chart indicates that HC-110 (dilution B) produces: Slightly less shadow detail or true film speed; Slightly finer grain; Slightly lower acutance. Where HC-110 really shines is in scientific work or push-processing, where film is deliberately overdeveloped to increase contrast and speed. HC-110 gives surprisingly little fog even with very prolonged development."

    ...and about D-76 (same as ID-11):

    "For general use

    Yields full emulsion speed and good shadow detail with normal contrast

    Moderately fine grain, excellent development latitude

    Replenish with KODAK PROFESSIONAL Replenisher D-76R

    For normal or push processing

    Powder"
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    sprint film developer is what a lot of high schools and universities
    use. it is a metol free developer that is kind of like d76 ( but not exactly ).
    it is very forgiving, and a liquid that mixes 1 to 9 of water.
    sprint systems of photography is an apug sponsor, and you can order it
    directly from their website, if a photo store near you doesn't have it.

    it was the first developer i used, and now, 30 years later, i use it for film
    i process for clients.

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