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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Grant has a number of copies of the reprint of the 1st edition that he will sell. His address is here on APUG in several places. I give you a 50:50 chance of finding it though. Then I will have to go look it up when I get 10 or 20 notes asking me please for help as the APUG searches have failed them.

    I have begun to fear posting this factoid.

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    perhaps,just a hint...a yes/no

    I Grant Haist still in Naples?

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    Not for the summer. AFAIK, he is in Okomos MI and will be in Rochester NY in October.

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    Why don't you just mortify your own flesh with broken glass or barbed wire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSeb View Post
    Why don't you just mortify your own flesh with broken glass or barbed wire?

    Shit! you made me spray coffee all over the cube!

    (still laughing!)

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    A good all-around organic chemistry book is the Vollhardt-Schore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Keyes View Post
    Morrison and Boyd - it was the one I used in college (mid-80s), and it seems pretty reasonable. Morrison and Boyd was a popular text and there were several editions from the 60s to the 80s.

    When I was in high school, I used to peruse Fieser and Fieser (from the 1950s), and it seems like a good text.

    Try Google books to see if there is one you like.
    Thanks Kirk. The Morrison and Boyd text actually looks well suited to my needs and, considering the reviews on Amazon.com, appears to be something like the canonical O-Chem text. Just what I was looking for. I'll see if I can pick up a copy at the used bookstore tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    Organic chem is a very broad field, my suggestion would be to find a text that is tailored specifically to film-related chemistry, with enough of the p-chem and solid state physics that you need to make real headway. There should be some focused review articles on this subject, maybe Ron can suggest some.

    Not to dissuade you from launching into a textbook, but... the standard organic texts are big and thick and dreaded by most of the students I know! And the emphasis is mostly bio-organic, not the kind of stuff that is most relevant to film chemistry. I mean, you may not get more than "there are some very strong reducers and oxidizers" and that's about it.
    Thanks for your concern. I spent nearly fifteen years at university...I figure the day I stop learning is the day I die. I too avoided this stuff then....but, now, I find that maybe, there was something that I cheated myself out of. Kinda like all those art classes that I also avoided.

    I just need to have a clear picture in my head of what is Para and what is Ortho and what the little hexagons are, etc....A biology bent wouldn't hurt either. Maybe it would help me in one of the other areas of great interest to me....soil chemistry and nutrient cycling.

    So if I can pick up a good readable text for not much money and get through four or five chapters...well, I'm sure that I'll be satisfied..and hopefully, I can better understand at least some of the specialized language.


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    Brad;

    The o-, m- and p- are not much used today. Most texts I see use 2, 3 and 4 instead. (or 5 and 6 if needed). M&B still will use the o, m and p designations intermixed with 2, 3 and 4 though IIRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photo Engineer View Post
    Brad;

    The o-, m- and p- are not much used today. Most texts I see use 2, 3 and 4 instead. (or 5 and 6 if needed). M&B still will use the o, m and p designations intermixed with 2, 3 and 4 though IIRC.

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    See...there's just so much stuff I missed along the way. M&B sounds more and more like it'll fit the bill.

    About six months ago, I was reading Economics (Samuleson) and last year, Architecture (Trachtenburg?)....tomorrow, O-Chem. All good stuff.

    Thanks all.

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    Unless updated, M&B is current to the early to mid 60s. I taught in grad school using that book when I was a graduate assistant and I had to sub in the classroom.

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