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    From a UK point of view, where it is not so easy to get hold of "fancy" US devs, their is DiXactol, which is a staining pyro dev. It was developed by Barry Thornton and is available from www.barry-thornton.co.uk as a pre mixed solution (alot quicker and safer!). However he recently died so the shop is currently down, but should be back in a week or so! The site is well worth a vist anyway!!

    I have had mixed results with this dev. I find it great with high contrast situations really restraining the highlights giving great tone in the prints,but with low contrast situations I just cant get enough contrast in the negs. I also had alot of problems with marks along the edges of the negs.

    Does anyone else know where to get other pyro devs on the UK?
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    Within the EC there is Lotus View Camera of Austria. They carry both PMK Pyro and Pyrocat HD in kit form. I order my Pyrocat HD kit (in liquid form packaged in quite attractive plactic bottles) from them and shipping to Sweden from Austria takes as long as anything ordered domestically.
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    Silverprint sells PMK kits as well as their own Pyro developer.
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    Retrophotographic sell a pyro developer. Tel.08452 26 26 47. I've not used it so I can't say what it is like.
    I scratch mix Pyrocat H.D from raw chemicals which I got from an industrial chemist in Stoke on Trent - E.J.Payne Ltd. Tel 01782 312534 They are very helpful. I had to lay out a few quid but I've got enough raw ingredients to last me for years. Cheap in the long run! Some of these chemicals have other applications in the darkroom anyway, leading to other long term cost savings.

    Finally,Rayco are a specialist supplier of photographic chemicals. www.rayco-chemicals.co.uk

    Good luck.

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    [quote="Chris Lee"]From a UK point of view, where it is not so easy to get hold of "fancy" US devs,Does anyone else know where to get other pyro devs on the UK?

    Linhof & Studio (see their web site) in UK normally stock PMK also the Book of Pyro. You may well be able to get it at Silverprint or Speedybrews. I have bought Pyrocat from USA without any trouble as have other names on this list living in UK. If the late Barry Thornton's business is still trading, you can get a staining developer there. There are lots of articles on the web, not least of course, on Unblinking Eye.
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    Sandy King's article that Jaun linked to is about the best overview of pyro developers I've seen. I will qualify that by saying I have not read Hutchin's book.

    Like most B&W afficiandoes, I've made the rounds through the various developers in the vain quest for the "magic bullet". Of course, if I find the magic bullet I may also find the Golden Fleece, neither of which are ever to be found. But overall, I am most satisfied with the pyro developers. I've used a fair bit of ABC, a bit of Pyrocat, and I just tried PMK for the first time. Overall, I would prefer Pyrocat as being the most versatile. It can do well with both roll film and sheet film. One great advantge is it allows the "box rated" film speed to be used. ABC is fine for contact printing, does a bit better than Pyrocat in low contrast situations.

    My one use of PMK makes for an interesting story. The results of this trial are posted in the apug Standard Gallery (railroad locomotive shots). These were high contrast situations, bright clear morning sun, snow on the ground. Film was 35mm Tri-X rated at 200. I originally planned to develop in Rodinal then decided to try the PMK which I had bought a year before. The developing time I picked was really too long and the negatives are extremely dense. Plus, I exposed it with shadows in Zone 4, ala Azo contact printing. I mean, these negs are DENSE. However, everyone who has seen the prints has marvelled at how sharp they are. They are nearly as sharp (remember, 35mm enlarged to 8x10) as an 8x10 contact print.

    PMK is fine for roll film and enlargements. Even Gordon Hutchins has admitted ABC is a better choice for contact printing. Sandy King's Pyrocat is sweeping through the LF community, especially since the minimal agitation techniques have been developed. This has occured in the last few months.

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    Re. Pyro in the uk. Firstly, mention has been made of the late, great Barry Thornton. As well as his DiXactol, he has another non-pyro staining formula which he rated as less exacting, ie more user friendly, called Exactol Lux.
    Secondly, Creative Monochrome (publishers of Mono Magazine) now I think called Arem Publishing, developed their own Pyro mix called CM Pyro, which has gathered a band of devotees. Try www.arempublishing.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Anders
    Creative Monochrome (publishers of Mono Magazine) now I think called Arem Publishing, developed their own Pyro mix called CM Pyro, which has gathered a band of devotees. Try www.arempublishing.co.uk
    I think you will find that Creative Monochrome in its re-incarnated state are not involved in the supply of chemicals etc as they were before.
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    I got an email from Sherry at Photographer's Formulary. She said that they regularly ship overseas, have several shipping options based on cost vs. speed, and are happy to quote a freight estimate prior to an order.

    I'm currently using Formulary's WD2D+ pyro/metol developer, and am quite happy with it. John Wimberley's intent with this formula was to provide a pyro developer with a stain color (yellow-ish) that was more conducive to variable contrast printing than the typical green stain of, for example, PMK (although to be fair, some claim that the effect of the green stain on contrast is minimal).

    If you happen to be using WD2D+, my chief bit of advice would be: agitate as per the directions! I'm lazy, and thought that "15 seconds of agitation for every 30 seconds" seemed like a lot of work, compared to the more common 10 seconds per minute. I initially had trouble with low contrast with WD2D+; as it turns out, this is where the contrast was hiding.

    I'm also a big fan of 130 paper developer and TF-4 fixer. Plus, I'm happy to support a small company with an apparent dedication to traditional photography!
    "If You Push Something Hard Enough, It Will fall over" - Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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    According to the Jan/Feb 2004 edition of MONO the newly reincarnated Creative Monochrome, now called Arem Direct is still selling chemicals, and particularly its CM Pyro, as a kit for £11.50 and a refill pack for £8.99.
    Try www.aremdirct.co.uk

    Good journey.

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