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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolleiflexible View Post

    It's odd that you mention 118 -- I just
    wrote to Mirko today to ask whether Adox
    might try to do a run of MCC on a warm
    paper like the old 118. Both papers used
    the same emulsion, so it should be possible
    if a suitable paper base can be found, and
    if Adox determines there is a demand for
    such a paper.
    Why write ADOX? Why don't you just buy it fresh from the AGFA Geravert machinery? The paper is back in production on AGFA Geaverts coatingplant. I bought it here: http://macodirect.de/agfa-118br24x30...ml?language=en

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    Re. MCC 118

    The paper Maco is selling is just the rest from the big Agfa disaster a few years ago. No fresh paper, just one format.
    If you need fresh MCC, you must buy Adox MCC 110 and write to Fotoimpex to revive MCC 118.

    Greetings from Germany,

    Mirko

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbatschek View Post
    you must buy Adox MCC 110 and write to Fotoimpex to revive MCC 118.

    Greetings from Germany,

    Mirko
    Will that say, that MCC118 is within Fotoimpex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken N View Post
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    I am generally printing 35mm negs so contact printing is out. As to the Zone VI developer, that might be one of the items which helps the Ilford papers get a more neutral coloring. Split-grade printing really helps the Ilford papers, but I didn't see the same need to use it with MCC that I generally do with Ilford. This isn't badmouthing the Multigrade IV papers as they are very good! It's just that I happen to see a specific improvement for MY workflow and negatives with MCC. Had I never tried MCC I would have continued on using Ilford without hesitation and if MCC availability becomes problematic I'll return to using it. In fact, for RC papers, I find Multigrade IV RC Pearl-surface to be without peer!
    Thanks for the clarifications...appreciated. I agree, of course, that one's individual work-flow and results takes precedence. Obviously the different developer makes an immense difference. I was also trying to understand what you meant by a "double hump" in the Ilford paper....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JLP View Post
    Agree, very nice paper but as long as it is sold in 25 sheet envelopes only i will not buy it.
    Good, that leaves more for the rest of us.
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Films NOT Dead - Just getting fixed![/FONT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by kompressor View Post
    Why write ADOX? Why don't you just buy it fresh from the AGFA Geravert machinery? The paper is back in production on AGFA Geaverts coatingplant. I bought it here: http://macodirect.de/agfa-118br24x30...ml?language=en
    Wishful thinking. Where in that page does it
    say that Agfa Gevaert has risen from the ashes
    to manufacture photographic papers? Agfa
    stopped making paper and film in October 2005.
    Read the Maco page for what it is: An attempt
    to sell the last remaining stocks of the paper.
    That's why the page exclaims, in big blue letters:
    "ESTPOSTEN - NUR BEGRENZTE STÜCKZAHL
    ERHÄLTLICH! Für den baldigen Verbrauch
    bestimmt!"

    Show me one box of Agfa photo paper "fresh
    from the AGFA Gevaert machinery" and I will
    give you my Rolleiflex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolleiflexible View Post
    Wishful thinking. Where in that page does it
    say that Agfa Gevaert has risen from the ashes
    to manufacture photographic papers? Agfa
    stopped making paper and film in October 2005.
    Read the Maco page for what it is: An attempt
    to sell the last remaining stocks of the paper.
    That's why the page exclaims, in big blue letters:
    "ESTPOSTEN - NUR BEGRENZTE STÜCKZAHL
    ERHÄLTLICH! Für den baldigen Verbrauch
    bestimmt!"

    Show me one box of Agfa photo paper "fresh
    from the AGFA Gevaert machinery" and I will
    give you my Rolleiflex.
    Although I'm not saying that any product is "still" manufactured, Agfa/Gevaert is still in business in Belgium, with a coating plant and does produce products, primarily for Aerial imaging and industrial applications, both in color and black and white, film and paper. It was Agfa in Leverkusen, Germany that went belly-up, this was the consumer products division. Agfa Gevaert should have the capability to make any Agfa products if they so wish.

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    Don't forget that the original Agfa plant in Wolfen still coats film too

    Ian

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    I don't think I'll be sending you my
    Rolleiflex any time soon.

    There is a huge difference between
    coating aerial films and making b&w
    photographic papers and Agfa simply
    does not have the plant and equipment
    to coat fiber paper any longer. That
    is the reality and no amount of hoping
    will change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolleiflexible View Post
    I don't think I'll be sending you my
    Rolleiflex any time soon.

    There is a huge difference between
    coating aerial films and making b&w
    photographic papers and Agfa simply
    does not have the plant and equipment
    to coat fiber paper any longer. That
    is the reality and no amount of hoping
    will change it.
    It doesn't matter either. If the new MCC is a beautiful paper it is a beautiful paper no matter who/what makes/brands/markets it.

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