Today's film IS better.

[David A. Goldfarb]

But it is ALWAY necessary to see for yourself.

That is certainly true. For all the debate about these things on internet forums, there's no test like a test with film in the camera, printed however one likes to print.

[MattKing]

I have avoided doing specific objective tests (new vs old) but on a subjective basis, I'm very happy with both new films (TMX and TMY) and the current version of my older favourite, Plus-X.

I am a little confused, however, why this thread is in the "Color: Film, Paper and Chemistry" forum .

Matt

[Steve Smith]

Yup. I've been saying that for years. Kodak looks to be the only company out there improving B&W film

I'm sure Fuji and Ilford still carry out research and development.


Steve

[Lee L]

I am a little confused, however, why this thread is in the "Color: Film, Paper and Chemistry" forum .

Matt

Maybe it was the mention of spectral sensitivity.

Lee

[Bruce Watson]

I'm sure Fuji and Ilford still carry out research and development.

Really? What makes you say that? Kodak's TMY-2 is only a couple of years old. The latest version of Tri-X is only a couple of years older than that. When did Harmon last introduce a new B&W film? Fuji? Kodak built a new coating facility for B&W films less than a decade ago. When did Harmon last update their manufacturing? Fuji?

The only company I see doing R&D is Kodak. But I don't work for any of them and have no access to their side of the corporate wall. But that's why I said "looks to be" instead of "is"

And I'm an LFer. Films not available in 5x4 or larger aren't the center of my attention. So if I missed something I'm sure someone will correct me. They always do. :rolleyes:

[David_A]

I am a little confused, however, why this thread is in the "Color: Film, Paper and Chemistry" forum .

Kodak = Yellow Fuji = Green and it's turning into quite a colourful discussion

David

[Ian Grant]

Really? What makes you say that? Kodak's TMY-2 is only a couple of years old. :rolleyes:

Yes but Kodak can put all their B&W research into the few films they manufacture, they gave up on papers.

On the other hand Ilford still offers the FULL B&W package - Films, papers, Chemistry etc, and they have been introducing re-formulating Kentmere products as well as introducing two new budget B&W films aimed at the student market, and working on new materials with commercial partners including Bergger, Fotoimpex, the Impossible Project.

There are new papers in the pipeline, so perhaps they've been busier in other directions. Compared to Kodak they are a very much smaller company, but have always produced first rate products.

Remember that some of Kodak's new coating line's have now been demolished before they ever began coating, and that the new lines left may well become uneconomic far faster than they lines the replaced.

Ian

[df cardwell]

I am a little confused, however, why this thread is in the "Color: Film, Paper and Chemistry" forum .

Me too.

[David A. Goldfarb]

Thread moved on the tiny screen of my iPod Touch.

[Sal Santamaura]

...On the other hand Ilford still offers...

Congratulations on transcending your British English learning and recognizing that a corporate entity is a singular!