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View Poll Results: Will Rollei Retro 100 Tonal be the heir of AGFA APX100?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kompressor View Post
    It would be nice if a new Rollei Retro 100 Tonal data sheet could be made from these PO100C (Pan Ortho iso 100 Clear) and the additional information of the Wollstein article (C) 2003 and practical hints of the CEO of the Rollei - Maco company.

    The reworked article you can find here (Also in German):
    http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=13819

    I think we have to appologize for the English readers only.

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    Unfortunately (for me) useful datasheets were never a strength of this company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertV View Post
    The reworked article you can find here (Also in German):http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=13819
    Being an author myself, I hope Harthmuth got Thomas' permission to modify his copyrighted article from the Phototec-Website and use it in his marketing-campaign. Sponsoring by free material for the testing shold not be assumed to be enough of a payment for the author to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skahde View Post
    Being an author myself, I hope Harthmuth got Thomas' permission to modify his copyrighted article from the Phototec-Website and use it in his marketing-campaign. Sponsoring by free material for the testing shold not be assumed to be enough of a payment for the author to do so.
    Even if he did this doesn't make things better. With his modifications the text states that
    a) Thomas tested Rollei Tonal against Acros and
    b) Tonal was available back in 2002.

    Both is afaik simply wrong and misleading.

    (for the non-german readers: Hartmuth Schroeder took a review from Thomas Wollstein of Acros vs. Maco PO100c which he published in 2003 and simply changed PO100c to Tonal. The original review can be read here)
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    Furter testing of Rollei Retro 100 Tonal
    Today i have done some more testing of films. And i have also made all the testresults in one image per URL.
    The film i have tested is Rollei Retro 100 Tonal, Kodak Plus-X125, Kodak Tri-x Professional and AGFA APX400

    All films are developed at 20 degree celsius for contrast Beta 0,55 all exposures are done by greycard. The greycard is in the first scene.

    The developer are as follow:

    Rollei Retro 100 Tonal @50 iso in Tetnal Neofin Bleu 6 minutes.
    Rollei Retro 100 Tonal @100 iso in Tetenal Neofin Bleu 10 minutes
    Kodak PX125 @64 iso XTOL 1:1 in 8,5 minutes
    Kodak Tri-x @200 iso HC110 Dilution G 18 minutes
    AGFA APX400 @200 Iso Rodinal 1+100 15 minutes

    Equipment: Hasselblad 500C Carl Zeiss 80/2,8 *T Distance from optics to greycard 2,5 meters

    Sunny and contrasty weather.

    The first link is to a view of the scene with the greycard. This image is resized for viewing purpose:
    http://tmax100.com/photo/the5filmtest/a.jpg


    Next is 100% crop of the greycard and flowers:
    http://tmax100.com/photo/the5filmtest/b.jpg

    Next is a 100% crop from the shadow side of a park bench. Distance from optics is 8 meters:
    http://tmax100.com/photo/the5filmtest/c.jpg

    And final is in the out of focus area in the branches across the river, distance 40 meter:
    http://tmax100.com/photo/the5filmtest/d.jpg


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    Last edited by kompressor; 06-01-2010 at 05:59 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    This is good testing - but we really need APX 100 in this lineup. 400 isn't the same emulsion.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

    http://www.flickr.com/kediwah

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    100 was in the past lineup from yesterday

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    Tonal looks quite good in these comparison shots, although the photos are not identical in lighting and framing. The Plus-X looks overexposed and might have been better rated at 80 or 100. (Plus-X isn't as tolerant as some films.) In the overall scenes, the APX400 looks slightly better for my tastes, and the Tri-X looks comparable to maybe a bit better, but these are 400 speed films compared to a 100 speed film.

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    Oh yes he would!

    Quote Originally Posted by kompressor View Post
    Well, then you download the images and set the side by side in picture viewer program
    Fred Picker would have just sent you a set of developed negatives.
    "A certain amount of contempt for the material employed to express an idea is indispensable to the purest realization of this idea." Man Ray

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