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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    I'm not sure about that last point, Ed. Fuji Frontier prints on the same Crystal Archive used for optical prints. For the kind of volume the minilabs do I wonder if it's easier to keep an inkjet or a roller transport printer clean, and which can put out more prints per hour?
    No contest - The inkjet would be *MUCH* easier. I use a JOBO, and keeping the tanks clean has never been a problem.
    All this DOES make sense for the one-hour labs.

    Hmmm... I did not know that Fuji Crystal Archive was "double duty". I have been using Ilfocolor --- I love the stuff. I'll try some Fuji in the near future.
    Carpe erratum!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheryl Jacobs
    ... In my portrait market, I'm betting there's a pretty high threshold, but for weddings, I know I'mg oing to have to consider d****** to avoid going broke.
    That's depressing.
    Cheryl,

    Check out the information at [ http://www.editorialphoto.com ]... "The Digital Manifesto".
    Carpe erratum!!

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    Not ready to panic yet but I was wondering how long fresh Ilford fiber paper would last if frozen or refrigerated. Or just kept in a room that never got over 70 degrees.

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    perfect timing

    First, I just want to say I love your forums, and have enjoyed reading them since I stumbled across apug.org a couple of weeks ago. I bought my first SLR about 8 months ago, finished my darkroom last week, and developed my first film last night(Ilford Delta 100). I chose Ilford paper and film because they seemed to produce reliable results, and when your learning that is important. Guess it's time to start looking for alternatives.

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    Sounds like it will soon be back to glass plates and emulsioning in house - as some of us did in the fifties; I am sure there will be many ex-alternative process fanatics re-born.
    Posted just to pull a few positive threads.
    'Determine on some course more than a wild exposure to each chance' The Bard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan. L-B
    Sounds like it will soon be back to glass plates and emulsioning in house - as some of us did in the fifties; I am sure there will be many ex-alternative process fanatics re-born.
    Posted just to pull a few positive threads.

    who knows stan, maybe you'll start your own b&w photo company <g>
    coating dry plates is exactly how george eastman and alfred harman got their companies started --- eastman in rochester ny, and harman in ilford,essex.

    btw - i just spoke with the good folks at photowarehouse, and they said the "problems" with ilford should not really effect them ... whew!

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    I understand that Ilford are trading as usual at present, or at least until the administrator has assessed the problems and decided on a course of action and that will happen fairly quickly. The best way that photographers can help Ilford survive is to try to persude the dealers that we use to place and pay for orders with Ilford now for clearly an injection of cash is what is required to keep them going.
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    Ed wrote:

    Anyway... I recieve and read the magazine ... "The Professional Photographer". One would think that by now, it would be purely "digital". It is NOT.

    Ed they must be sending you copies from the 1990s. As of the July issue virtually every display ad in the magazine that dealt with cameras, labs, and everything but lighting was digital.

    It's true that many photographers are using film and then turning to digital for the rest of the process, but the writing is on the wall.

    It's interesting that since I've been a member here, the threads are becoming more and more digital, kind of like all the publications that are on the market.

    We are a dying breed who live in this fantasy world and believe that if we buy more film and paper we will save the medium. The miniscule amount that we use has no bearing on corporate decision making.

    Boutique companies will supply us well past our lifetimes but large corporations had planned this obsolescence back in the middle 90s.

    The fact of our covering our ears and yelling la la la la will have no bearing on the decision so we better get used to it.

    Telling wonderful stories that all the pros are switching back is like Custer telling his men that he thinks he can hear a bugle off in the distance. The reinforcements just ain't comin'.

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    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    You are right Les

    Quote Originally Posted by Les McLean
    The best way that photographers can help Ilford survive is to try to persude the dealers that we use to place and pay for orders with Ilford now for clearly an injection of cash is what is required to keep them going.
    Unfortunately this may not happen. Personally until recently I only used Agfa paper, Multicontrast Classic, this used to be available through the main UK High Street photographic chain on special order then that source dried up, a major UK supplier /manufacturer of photographic products only stock 2 boxes of 12"x16" on the shelf at any one time. Their stocks of Ilford paper weren't much larger last time I visited about 2 months ago.

    Yes I can see the specialist stores perhaps upping their stock levels but not the smaller darkroom suppliers who now only carry the boxes.

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    [QUOTE=Ian Grant]You are right Les

    .......until recently I only used Agfa paper, Multicontrast Classic, this used to be available through the main UK High Street photographic chain on special order then that source dried up, a major UK supplier /manufacturer of photographic products only stock 2 boxes of 12"x16" on the shelf at any one time......

    Ian,
    I guess that the company is Jessop who for years have been cultivating a Jessop brand only policy but at the same denying it when asked. I visited the Jessop head office and warehouse about 6 years ago to write an article for a UK magazine and challenged the Marketing Director on their own brand policy. He denied it and then took me to the Jessop brand warehouse? It was full of cheap rubbish but he described it as great value for money. I have taken the view for years that the growth of Jessop as a high street and mail order supplier would be bad for photography for they only stock items that show the greatest profit regardless of the quality. As an accountant I understand that policy, I've done it myself in agricultural companies that I have worked for, but as a photographer I think it's the worst possible scenario for photography as we would like to see it.

    I think Blansky has just about got it right when he says that the reinforcements just aint coming.
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