Is there any way to get a real red out of Berg Selenium toner? I have MGWT paper which I love alone and I do like the selenium tones for some pictures but for others I prefer the real red of Berg Copper but it isn't archival of course. Berg Selenium 1+3 seems to go more light brown eggplant than red with MGWT, darker and deeper black purple with MGIV even after a full 10:00. Split toning Selenium followed by Copper doesn't do what I want, it reddens the highlights, not the shadows and mid tones.
Is Ilford Galerie paper redder in selenium? Is KRST or Ilford Selenium redder or is selenium always the same redness? Any other warm tone papers go to actual red in selenium or am I stuck with non-archival copper which gives me the tone I want?
Ilford MGWT untoned:
Misty morning river in MGWTFB by Harry Pulley, on Flickr
Ilford MGWT Berg Selenium 1+3 10:00:
Selenium toned Misty River by Harry Pulley, on Flickr
Ilford MGIV Berg Copper 1+3:
Misty Morning River Copper Toned by Harry Pulley, on Flickr