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    Actually maybe I misspoke. I am thinking about buying a large amount of film. Making it ourselves is out of my realm.

    I buy Ilford in the hundred rolls per buy and get a good price. Imagine buying a thousand at a time.

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    kodak used to raise their prices two times a year, it wasn't 30¢ / roll for long ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    Yes, I am tired of 'excuses' being given for BW film prices. With such a mature technology (all the R&D long ago paid for) it seems amazing that decent, high quality, 'no frills' film cannot be made in bulk rolls for no more than $20 for 100 ft. Why does 100 ft of Kodak Plus-X have to retail for, what is it now, about $80 before discount? When I was living in New York City in the 70s, a 36 exposure roll of Plus-X was 63 cents at the Camera Barn chain store. Why does a DISCOUNTED price now have to be over 6 bucks at B&H? That is TEN TIMES the 70s price. Back then minimum wage was $2.50/hour and now it is about three times as much. I know that the usual excuses will follow (ie, less made) but I really think that the groundwork made in production efficiency and refinement over the years should mitigate the 'less is sold' excuse. Am I dead wrong here? Or is this film simply selling for what the traffic will bear? Lack of competition thwarts reasons for not giving 'value'? - David Lyga.
    It seems that after 40 years, some people still don't understand economics and business dynamics.

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    I've thought about buying up film that's apt to be discontinued and storing it in a freezer in some fallout shelter somewhere to protect it from cosmic radiation (earth and concrete in quantity are cheap ways to protect from natural gamma radiation). Imagine the wealth someone would be sitting on if they had a fridge full of polaroid 55 or a chest freezer full of tech pan? They might have the biggest inventory in the world!

    This would not be an investment to avoid inflation related price changes in film, but rather a way to keep films on the market long after the end of their manufacture. It would take more money than I have to do on a worthwhile scale though. It's pretty much a guarantee there will be fewer film choices in the future, and a guarantee people don't like change, and a guarantee prices will increase. If you buy something that doesn't discontinue, it can easily be sold for most of it's cost as long as it's not far past it's exp date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Gray View Post
    I don't think that's the real problem. I think the real problem is that for the typical American, wages haven't kept pace.
    +1
    "Would you like it if someone that painted in oils told you that you were not making portraits because you were using a camera?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    Yes, we could have somebody make a film coating assembly line in their daddy's barn. Please see the dreaded 'Kodachrome has been deleted' thread to see where that one goes.
    Hey, that was *MY* barn we were talking about in that thread.

    Unfortunately we had a fire a few months ago, and that barn no longer exists. Only a concrete slab is there now, waiting for me to get another structure built.

    Perhaps we should prepare it as a fabrication plant while I'm making the plans.
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    You think film is expensive, go buy a digital camera. A good digital camera. You'll thank God for the low prices of film once you see what a good high resolution digital SLR costs. Film is not expensive. I make very little money compared to most of you, because I survive on my income as an artist...no other job...and I can afford to shoot a couple hundred rolls a year!
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    As a "broke student" I shoot mainly 35mm and just buy Lucky for 1.2 euro a roll or find some expired quality film for nearly the same price. Ocasionally I find old soviet films that were produced a couple of decades ago, but still usually work. I think the price of each frame is one of the factors that makes film photographs better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    TIRED OF BW FILM PRICE 'EXCUSES' ?
    Nope. Not given the alternative...

    Nor do I wish for them to unrealistically reduce their prices just to satisfy you, then go out of business and thus deprive me.



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    — Amanda Tomlin, Looking Glass Magazine, 2014

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    Just shop around. I will be beginning soon developing negatives. I bought a bunch of films: Solaris FG 100 135/36 @ €1.80, FG 200 135/36 @ €2.22, Rollei Digibase CN 200 135/36 @ €3.72 per roll, Fuji Pro 160S 135/36 @ €3.60 (special offer, expiry date this July), Fuji Superia Xtra 800 135/36 @ €3.78. And I forgot some Kodak Ektar 100 135/36 @ 4.68, that's the most expensive film I am prepared to buy. Portra, sorry!

    I bought today 4 Kaiser (Jobo-compatible) 1 litre flasks @ € 3.60 each, 4 Fujichrome Sensia 135/36 @ €3.66 each, and 4 more Fuji Superia Xtra 800 135/36 @ 3.78 each, besides some minor other items. That's tax included, and for additional €7.20 it will all be delivered within a few days at my door.

    I'm especially interested in seeing how the Rollei CN200 will perform, as I can find 100ft (30.5m) bulk rolls for €28.50 (expiry date January 2015) which makes it very cheap, and rolls of CR200 are sold for the same price. (30.5 metres make more than 18 135/36 rolls, that makes the cost per roll less than €1.60 tax included).

    When you find a shop which has a film you like at a price you like, "pillage it" and bulk freeze, you will not regret it.

    Shopping around is the best way to save. Price vary a lot among different shops. Film sales will become an internet/bulk business. The weak shall die and the strong shall thrive. It's inevitable, and it's desirable.

    Fabrizio

    PS I also bought some 60% solution of acetic acid. That's corrosive but it appears it will be normally delivered at my door with the normal courier in a normal package. It's 1 litre after all. I'm glad there is no hazardous-material paranoia in my country.
    Last edited by Diapositivo; 06-28-2011 at 04:19 PM. Click to view previous post history.
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