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    Tray processing - how do you do semi-stand?

    OK, so I'm considering trying tray processing with a slosher insert. However, how do you do semi-stand? Since the negatives are uncovered, I guess I would have to sit in the dark for 30-60 minutes? Or can you cover the tray somehow that would be light tight?
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    How about using a paper safe like the ones shown here, instead of traditional trays? They are watertight on their bottoms and can be left out in the light indefinitely.

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    Interesting idea ... I think I have one somewhere in the darkroom ...
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    I made a simple wood box to set over the tray then draped a piece of blk cloth over that worked great.
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    i use FR tanks to stand process sheets of film ...
    i never got the itch to buy slosher inserts, and my
    paper safe is full of shards of glass ...

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    I've done quite a lot of SS processing, always in a vertical orientation with very good results. Early on in the learning curve I tried the same dilution and technique in a tray and the results were disastrous.

    I never pursued the horizontal approach any further, I have heard of those who say the latter is possible, however, of the scores of photogs I know of using this process successfully all process in a vertical orientation.

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    Thanks everyone. I found some Arkay SS 4x5 tanks in my darkroom - I think they might be light tight! They hold 16 kodak hangers each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bannow View Post
    Thanks everyone. I found some Arkay SS 4x5 tanks in my darkroom - I think they might be light tight! They hold 16 kodak hangers each.
    Caution!!! Be extremely careful of the SS hangers as there are holes which will allow uneven amounts of chemistry to wash over the film during agitation in disproportionate amounts which will almost assuredly cause significant streaking.

    The single biggest hurdle in my experience was taming the agitation technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Sherman View Post
    Caution!!! Be extremely careful of the SS hangers as there are holes which will allow uneven amounts of chemistry to wash over the film during agitation in disproportionate amounts which will almost assuredly cause significant streaking.

    The single biggest hurdle in my experience was taming the agitation technique.

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    Do you have a recommended agitation method?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Bannow View Post
    Do you have a recommended agitation method?
    I was forced to tired many forms of agitation during the learning curve while processing only one sheet at time.

    I settled on a rod with a 1"-2" disc on the end and used in up and down stroke resembling a washing machine which perfected the agitation for me. Because I was early in the learning curve of this technique many very knowledgeable LF photogs sought my advice and as far as I know continue to use this same regime without short fall.

    I always pre soak 3 ish minutes in water and then quickly introduce the diluted developer and agitate vigorously for the first 1.5 - 2.5 minutes depending on desire contrast followed by a Stand period of anywhere from 4 minutes to 40 minutes. The first agitation is gentle and in an up and down motion which ranges from 15 - 25 secs (again depending on desired contrast & being careful not to scratch the film) another Stand period and a second agitation just as the first and then a third Stand cycle and then quick to a diluted stop bath.

    Very basically, the initial agitation needs to be vigorous and constant for enough time to allow the emulsion to absorb chemistry in a uniform fashion while the second agitation does not need to be as vigorous rather just constant and repeatable IMO.

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