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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Tapscott. View Post
    If you're concerned about Xtol failing suddenly, consider using Ilford DD instead.

    http://www.ilfordphoto.com/products/...ilm+Developers
    Keith I take it that your reference is to DD and not DDX. The link certainly is to DD. However I tried to recall ever seeing it on any retailer websites, couldn't and so checked but failed to find it.

    I then tried Harman Express and there was no mention of it. Putting in a search only got me to DDX although clearly DD exists. However the tech specs for it only seem to cover large capacity dip and dunk and all temp refs are to mid 70s F.

    Maybe it isn't generally available to home darkroom users?

    Do you know where it can be obtained and in what size containers?

    This is getting away from the OP's thread but just in case he or others wish to consider using DD then the info might be useful.

    Interestingly Harman doesn't seem to state it lasting any longer than the bulk of Xtol users have said that Xtol will last if kept properly i.e in airtight containers

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    The DDX sheet says;
    "Full, unopened bottles of ILFOTEC DD-X will keep
    in good condition for two years. Once opened,
    use within three months and keep bottles tightly
    capped.
    Diluted ILFOTEC DD-X should not be stored."

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    Thanks for the responses everyone.

    Regarding the comments about DD or DDX though, I've got a lot of experience with DDX and I would not consider it an XTOL "equivalent" as I've seen people suggest in the past. They are really not the same. DDX is a PQ formulation and is a closer match to TMAX developer in its working properties, not XTOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaxuser View Post
    Keith I take it that your reference is to DD and not DDX. The link certainly is to DD. However I tried to recall ever seeing it on any retailer websites, couldn't and so checked but failed to find it.

    I then tried Harman Express and there was no mention of it. Putting in a search only got me to DDX although clearly DD exists. However the tech specs for it only seem to cover large capacity dip and dunk and all temp refs are to mid 70s F.

    Maybe it isn't generally available to home darkroom users?

    Do you know where it can be obtained and in what size containers?

    pentaxuser
    Maybe it is a special order item, but it's listed on Ilford's website.
    Simon Galley would know for sure.

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    I've found PC-TEA to give me results that seem to me identical to what I was getting with xtol. Since I wasn't using xtol very frequently that's what I switched to. PC-TEA seems to keep for ages. I had xtol fail in the past but it seems that issue has been addressed. It happened a number of times and I just didn't feel I could count on it. Glad to hear others find it so reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    Any developer will go bad if not tightly sealed. All developers risk going bad given enough time.
    I don't think XTOL goes bad any faster than any other developer. The problem I have with it is that it doesn't go all brown and stinky when it oxidises. One can do a snip test before every use (and one should), but the time I forget the test is the time the developer goes off.

    Although it will change color, XTOL stops working long before it turns pail yellow.

    I find the benefits of XTOL do not outweigh the costs incurred in re-shooting a roll when it, like all developers, fails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Egan View Post
    Over 12 months in a wine bladder...
    So, does it matter if you can still smell residual wine in the bladder? I've washed the one I have half a dozen times but I can still smell the wine in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony-S View Post
    So, does it matter if you can still smell residual wine in the bladder? I've washed the one I have half a dozen times but I can still smell the wine in it.

    That would be a seasoned bladder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony-S View Post
    So, does it matter if you can still smell residual wine in the bladder? I've washed the one I have half a dozen times but I can still smell the wine in it.
    How do you wash a wine bladder? Or are folks getting empty ones somewhere, maybe a wine making shop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    How do you wash a wine bladder? Or are folks getting empty ones somewhere, maybe a wine making shop?
    You can buy new bags from what used to be called "Home Brew" shops in the U.K. but washing used and emptied winebags is easy. Simply prise out the dispenser with a substantial but flat-bladed knife, working carefully around the dispenser then pour in warm water, refit loosely the dispenser or not as desired and slosh the water around. Do this twice if you are a belt and braces person then pour out and flatten the bag. All the water will be sqeezed out. Fill with the dev, refit the dispenser securely and replace into the cardboard container which holds the bag. Works everytime. I kept my Xtol in nothing else

    Winebags in the U.K. are usually 3L so you need two for 5L of Xtol but wine shops sell different sizes so a 5L bag is easily obtained.

    Hope this helps

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