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    Gold toned, Ilford MGWT can be amazingly cold. If you like grainy and graphic (sounds like you may), try Slavich Unibrom lithed in Rollei or Moersch then gold toned. It is gritty and cold. This isn't a great image, but you can see what I mean.

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    Very nice Mark. I do love grainy and I usually go super grainy but not with this project but I do like the colour you obtained.

    Hey Roger- not sure you read my previous posts or not, but the Ilford Galerie #2, #3 are my standard papers, and I do use Slavich often too, both toned in Selenium. I love the look but it's not what I am looking for with the project but yes, the Galerie is gorgeous, gorgeous paper.

    All these comments are extremely valuable as I know I will use them from time to time on other projects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaryaV View Post
    Very nice Mark. I do love grainy and I usually go super grainy but not with this project but I do like the colour you obtained.

    Hey Roger- not sure you read my previous posts or not, but the Ilford Galerie #2, #3 are my standard papers, and I do use Slavich often too, both toned in Selenium. I love the look but it's not what I am looking for with the project but yes, the Galerie is gorgeous, gorgeous paper.

    All these comments are extremely valuable as I know I will use them from time to time on other projects.
    Read some of it, missed those. Sorry for the oversight.

    Try some MCC 110 and LPD. At worst if it isn't suitable for what you want now you'll have some really good VC paper and some very long lasting developer, so I doubt it would be a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    It's also a) only in RC, and b) only in sizes up to 11x14.

    Hey Ilford, give us a cooltone FB to go with WTFB!
    Sorry Roger, I meant to say Ilford Multigrade IV FB; the RC version doesn't change colour in selenium IIRC - not many RC papers do. Kentmere Bromide is an FB paper btw. I hope the OP didn't misunderstand me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevs View Post
    Sorry Roger, I meant to say Ilford Multigrade IV FB; the RC version doesn't change colour in selenium IIRC - not many RC papers do. Kentmere Bromide is an FB paper btw. I hope the OP didn't misunderstand me.

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    Most RC papers DO change color in selenium though sometimes more slowly and subtly. I have two on MGIV RC hanging on my wall that are toned in KRST 1+19 with noticeable cooling and increase in Dmax.

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    Oh and it was the Ilford Cooltone I was referring to that is only available in RC (and sizes up to 11x14.) I haven't tried it.
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    Slavich is THE coldest tone paper currently available... It's nearly as cold toned as Agfa Brovira.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Moxom View Post
    Slavich is THE coldest tone paper currently available... It's nearly as cold toned as Agfa Brovira.
    Freestyle lists it as closeout now on their site and it's not in their print catalog. Does anyone else import it?

    EDIT: Just checked again - I recall it showing it as closeout but doesn't now. Question remains - does anyone else import it? And is there a VC version that's cold toned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Moxom View Post
    Slavich is THE coldest tone paper currently available... It's nearly as cold toned as Agfa Brovira.
    Thank you, Andrew. I wasn't aware of that and since I already have a pack I won't have to buy another and I will start from there as a base and add the gold if needed

    .... though I am anxious to try some other suggestions listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROL View Post
    Fomabrom is neutral, almost as cheap as Slavich, and also does not require a red safelight.
    There are three versions of Fomabrom, variant III multigrade, a fixed grade version and version IV multigrade. I know for a fact that the variant III and the Fomabrom fixed grade fogs in anything but red light. Never tried the IV so can't say anything about it.
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