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    Toner comparable to Viradon?

    I just tried to order some Viradon from Freestyle... but they are out. What, if any, would be a good substitute for this? I'm not very familiar with a bunch of different kinds of toners, but I am fond of the look of Viradon. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks -Grant

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    A process that produces a nice warm brown is Zonal Pro warmtone developer, with Ilford FB Warmtone paper and then selenium toning afterwards.


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    okay, I'll have to try that sometime. Thanks -Grant

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    kodak brown toner is almost identical
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    TONER

    Mr. Ramone-here is a cloned formula for Kodak Polytoner;now discontinued.
    Selenium17ml
    Brown Toner 75ml
    Kodalk 30g
    H2O 1,000 ml
    You must use HCA before and after the toner. Be sure to keep the temp. around 70degrees. I've gotten some really nice effects with the Bergger papers and Agfa. Good luck- sometimes it works and then...Solution will keep but tends to fall out of sokution after a while. May have to do with temperature.
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    Okay, thanks for the ideas everyone. Luckily I did notice that I do still have one more bottle of Viradon left, so... But I am anxious to keep trying different toners and the like. Thanks -Grant

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    A question for everyone.
    Roman, Ann and myself were discussing the preparation of sulfid toners using Liver of Sulfur.

    Has anyone used Na-Sulfide instead of Liver of Sulfur?
    I guess it can replace Liver of Sulfur in a 1:4 basis
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    Liver of sulfur is a polysulfide. It can be replaced with sodium polysulfide.

    Oh all right - sodium sulfide or dosulfide will also work in a toner. But differently.

    "Old" Viradon was a polysulfide/selenium toner, the only one on the market at present may be Moersch' Carbontoner. As least it seems to have similar properties.

    "New" Viradon is sulfide only. Kodak Brown toner is a very good substitute, as are several others.

    I shall miss "old Viradon" when I have used the last of my bottle. Hopefully it won't be for a long time yet.
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    Liver of sulfur is:
    K-polysulfide 25%
    K-thiosulfate 75%
    according to the JTBaker-MSDS

    Sodium polysulphide.. that sounds like a good idea:
    Found this:
    http://www.lexcie.zetnet.co.uk/rubber.htm

    Making sodium polysulphide
    Measure 150 ml water into a beaker. Add 10g sodium hydroxide and dissolve. Heat till boiling.
    Add slowly with vigorous stirring about 20g of flower of sulphur.
    The solution changes from light yellow to dark brown and the reaction reaches its limit after 10 minutes of boiling and stirring.
    Allow to settle and cool. Decant the dark brown liquid leaving the unreacted sulphur behind.
    Roman, it seems easier than melting sulfur and KOH
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    Does new Viradon pong as bad as the old Viradon? BLIGHTY

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