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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    I think Agfa threatened a major lawsuit which they'd have won, you can't pass a product off as something it isn't. You'll see J&C's packaging has the same colour scheme, pretty much the same Rodinal type face etc, I doubt Calbe were very impressed either. Then J&C also sold a lot of dodgy EFKE materials, essentially substandard with coating defects as well as miscut chinese LF films that wouldn't fit DDS. All in all not really a company you'd want to trade with.

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    John did seem influential for a while though, turning up at that APUG "conference" in Canada a few years ago.

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    Here is what you are looking for:

    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/12054-...ula?cat_id=301

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    No there are only 2 versions on the market.

    Genuine Agfa Rodinal as made fom the mid 1960's when the formula was changed at the time of Agfa's merger with Gevaert. This has an excess of Hydroxide and a higher pH and is now sold as Adonal, Blazinal. RO9 One shot etc but it's all made by the same factory.

    Then there's the former Agfa Orwo version made by Calbe which uses a pre WWII Agfa formula, has a higher p-Aminophenol content but no free hydroxide and so a lower pH. this is sold as Calbe RO9, APH09.

    The problem is that the two versions don't behave quite the same. many German and Continental EU photographers prefer the older version which is why people like Mirko ant Fotoimpex sell and distribute both.

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    Actually, we are both right.

    When I said "several different versions" I meant "several products" as in "sold under several different names" some of which use the old formulation and some the newer, even if all the old ones are made in one place and all the new ones in one place.

    The one I have that I bought meaning to try Rodinal again is this one:

    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/9724-C...per-125ml-4-oz.

    and at least until now I wasn't sure which one this is. So you are saying it is the 1960s+ version, not the old pre-war version, correct?

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    Yes, this R09 one shot is the Agfa (photo) Rodinal version. But it's still made in the old Agfa chemical plant in Germany.
    My favorite store: http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl

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    There is no perfect developer and there is nothing magical about Rodinal. If you have been satisfied with the developers you have been using then why change. If you change developer then remember there is a learning curve which must again be mastered.
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

    ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Actually, we are both right.

    When I said "several different versions" I meant "several products" as in "sold under several different names" some of which use the old formulation and some the newer, even if all the old ones are made in one place and all the new ones in one place.

    The one I have that I bought meaning to try Rodinal again is this one:

    http://www.freestylephoto.biz/9724-C...per-125ml-4-oz.

    and at least until now I wasn't sure which one this is. So you are saying it is the 1960s+ version, not the old pre-war version, correct?

    Yes the common versions like Adonal are made by the same factory as when it was sold as Agfa Rodinal to the modern formula. again thank John of J&C for the confusion.

    Ian
    Last edited by Ian Grant; 11-07-2011 at 11:35 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    There is also Fomadon R09 made by Foma.

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    What you can say abou PARODINAL?
    I want to try to do some to develop some films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidmasek View Post
    There is also Fomadon R09 made by Foma.
    I think it was made by Calbe and sold under the Foma label, then later they switched to the modern version.

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    Last edited by Ian Grant; 11-07-2011 at 11:43 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    I think it was made by Calbe and sold under the Foma label, then later they switched to the modern version.
    Yes, they had (have ?) good connections with this former OrWo (DDR) chemical plant. In the new version (Fomadon R09 NEW) they also changed of type bottle.

    So former Agfa Rodinal is sold under many different type of labels now.
    My favorite store: http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl

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