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    this is Foma 112 in Rollei lith dev.
    I agree with everything that Thomas wrote.

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    Bob, if it is a class that hasn't done lith before, Fomatone is hard to beat. It is very easy to control and get good results with a wide range of exposures and agitation schemes. Fomabrom is a really interesting paper that I find it takes more effort (and pieces of paper!) to get what I want. I've never used the RC version of Fomatone so I don't know how that works. I've attached a couple of untoned examples to try to show the range of tones you can get.
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    Bob. Of the Foma papers, Fomatone 131 is my favorite. Lith fast, very colorful.

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    Thank you all, I will post examples in December . I think I will give the 131 gloss a go.

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    The colour of the 131 changes as a session goes on, more than other papers I've tried.
    Here's the last photo from yesterday's printing session. I had started with about 6-7 minutes in the developer. By the time I got to this one, developing time was up to 35 minutes. I must say, the colour was a surprise. Usually the tones at this point are quite peachy/salmony. I've never had this colour before - someone dropped a few raspberries into the punch this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    The colour of the 131 changes as a session goes on, more than other papers I've tried.
    Here's the last photo from yesterday's printing session. I had started with about 6-7 minutes in the developer. By the time I got to this one, developing time was up to 35 minutes. I must say, the colour was a surprise. Usually the tones at this point are quite peachy/salmony. I've never had this colour before - someone dropped a few raspberries into the punch this time.
    As you know it's your developer that exhausts. This can be mitigated by using a lot more of it, which I know Bob does. Something like several gallons of developer at once. When I process lith prints I use one gallon of developer in a 16x20" tray. 800ml of this is old brown, and I season the developer with a couple of sheets of useless paper before I start. The gallon gives me several consistent runs on 11x14 paper, and it takes a long time for the developer to start exhausting. The change is very slow.
    I've never seen that color with Fomatone either.
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    I wasn't complaining Thomas. I don't use a gallon, but I'm not printing 11x14 either. I usually start with 1 1/2 to 2 liters and plan my session for the colour change/more lengthy developing. I save negs I'd like to see in the "hotter" tones for the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    I wasn't complaining Thomas. I don't use a gallon, but I'm not printing 11x14 either. I usually start with 1 1/2 to 2 liters and plan my session for the colour change/more lengthy developing. I save negs I'd like to see in the "hotter" tones for the end of the day.
    Oh, I wasn't implying that you were either... It's all good. I was just giving you an option to avoid raspberries if you wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Carnie View Post
    Mr G recommended a paper for lith I think foma, I am teaching a local course on lith prints from digital negs and need a few recommendations . I usually use Ilford Warmtone but for this course
    I would like to try another paper that sepia and selenium tones well.

    Sorry for the digi blasphemy word but I could not help myself.
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    If you're looking for colour Fomatone 131 Classic is the most colourful paper available,but you are dealing with highly dilute developer and 20 minuteish times. From what I remember of your lith prints pink colour may not be that important however. Even with stronger developer and shorter times is is still an excellent cadmium containing paper.
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    FYI - I would rather have my teeth pulled out one at a time with no novacane , rather than do 20 minute development.

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