Switch to English Language Passer en langue française Omschakelen naar Nederlandse Taal Wechseln Sie zu deutschen Sprache Passa alla lingua italiana
Members: 69,970   Posts: 1,523,490   Online: 897
      
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11
  1. #1

    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Shooter
    35mm
    Posts
    1,034

    How to put a 12exp and 24exp roll on one reel?

    I've been shooting a lot of 12 and 24 exposure rolls. Love 'em for testing new cameras and lenses. Sometimes I've tried to develop a 24 and a 12 on the same reel... but sometimes the film slips and rides over. No harm thus far but it could certainly cause problems. Is there a good way to develop a 12 and a 24 together on one reel? I usually have a another reel too, with a 36exp loaded, so both reels in my tank are in use.
    In life you only get one great dog, one great car, and one great woman. Pet the dog. Drive the car. Make love to the woman. Don't mix them up.

  2. #2
    MattKing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Delta, British Columbia, Canada
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    12,094
    Images
    60
    What type of reels are you using - stainless steel, Paterson plastic, JOBO or ...?
    Matt

    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

  3. #3
    cmo
    cmo is offline
    cmo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Shooter
    35mm RF
    Posts
    1,457
    Images
    57
    The last version of the Jobo reels has a red stop clip that allows to do something like that:

    You can move this clip in and out of the way the film glides into the reel. In the 'out of my way' position you put the first film in. Then you put the clip in the 'in' position and insert the next film. The clip avoids the films touch each other. It works great with two 120 films in these reels, I did not try it with two 35mm films though.

    With other reels this will be difficult unless you are very skillful and daring. The other method is to spool two films together in one reel, back to back. It's risky. I did it one with four films, and I lost some frames on two of them because there was not enough space in the reels to keep the films completely apart.
    The future belongs to the few of us still willing to get our hands smell like fixing bath.

  4. #4
    2F/2F's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    8,008
    Images
    4
    You could tape them end to end. If you have a metal reel, you can also roll them back to back.
    2F/2F

    "Truth and love are my law and worship. Form and conscience are my manifestation and guide. Nature and peace are my shelter and companions. Order is my attitude. Beauty and perfection are my attack."

    - Rob Tyner (1944 - 1991)

  5. #5
    Rick A's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    north central Pa
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    5,822
    Images
    32
    I will never understand why people will chance ruining a film by shortcutting. Two films, two batches. Chems are not that expensive to warrant doing two films jambed together on a single reel, risking developer exhaustion or undeveloped areas from them touching. This is supposed to be a relaxing hobby, why the rush? If there is a deadline for processing(client), get a second tank and reel, or a double tank(2x 120/4x135) with two reels for 120. The best quality assurance you can perform is to develope one roll at a time.
    Rick A
    Argentum aevum
    BTW: the big kid in my avatar is my hero, my son, who proudly serves us in the Navy. "SALUTE"

  6. #6
    Mike Wilde's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Misissauaga Canada
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    2,939
    Images
    29
    I regualrly 'splice' on a three or so exposure clip of a film at the end of a 24 or 27 or 36 exposure 35mm film.

    That little piece is part of a film that I exposed of my wife holding a grey card and a color patch in the front yard, in diffuse light.

    It goes in with the first of every batch of c-41 that I mix. I use it as a quality control measure, to see what different colur response might be introduced by the different DIY c-41 formulae I play with.

    I use about a 1" x 1" patch of tape from a roll of 'blue max' film spilcing tape. It does just what it says it does; far superior ot masking tape used in the past.
    my real name, imagine that.

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Southern USA
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    3,769
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick A View Post
    I will never understand why people will chance ruining a film by shortcutting. Two films, two batches. Chems are not that expensive to warrant doing two films jambed together on a single reel, risking developer exhaustion or undeveloped areas from them touching. This is supposed to be a relaxing hobby, why the rush? If there is a deadline for processing(client), get a second tank and reel, or a double tank(2x 120/4x135) with two reels for 120. The best quality assurance you can perform is to develope one roll at a time.
    AMEN! Usually when people try to save time or money they do neither.
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

    ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery

  8. #8

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Daventry, Northamptonshire, England
    Shooter
    35mm
    Posts
    6,876
    With a top and tail on each film there might be a risk that it wouldn't all fit and there might be very little safety margin before the second film overrode the first.

    To be on the safeside why not develop and 12 and 24 separately then once dry try putting them onto a reel to see how easy or difficult it will be in the dark and how much safety margin there is. The red clip on the Jobo reel may work and if you have a Jobo reel you will then know where to place it once you have tried it with a developed 12 and 24.

    If things are tight and if you are bold then you might cut a predetermined length from the first film at both ends in the dark and the same again on the second film to cut down the length.

    I wouldn't have the courage in case it went wrong and I ruined some negs but these are some ideas if you want to try it.

    pentaxuser

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Live Free or Die
    Shooter
    Multi Format
    Posts
    4,352
    Images
    87
    If you don't have a tall tank, it's easy enough to run two tanks at the same time, and at much less risk.

  10. #10

    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Shooter
    35mm
    Posts
    1,034
    I really appreciate the advice saying "don't do that you idiot" those are REALLY helpful. Boy, I did need a good sermon. Thanks!

    On the JOBO pieces, I'll have to look see if I can find or make something similar. The tape suggestion will be the first one I try. I never would have thought of that honestly. Thanks!
    In life you only get one great dog, one great car, and one great woman. Pet the dog. Drive the car. Make love to the woman. Don't mix them up.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast


 

APUG PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Contact Us  |  Support Us!  |  Advertise  |  Site Terms  |  Archive  —   Search  |  Mobile Device Access  |  RSS  |  Facebook  |  Linkedin