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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101
    So is this the same "Hans Beckert" who was thrown off photo.net because he insisted on pizzing all over the discussion forums?

    http://www.photo.net/shared/communit...user_id=836377

    If so, he's also worn out his welcome as "Michael Scarpitti" on both photo.net and the Google photo groups. Since joining yesterday, Hans, you've managed nearly 50 posts, mostly claiming that Rodinal is overrated. Please relieve yourself elsewhere.

    Are you interested in learning anything or not?

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    Here's the real Hans Beckert, as played by Peter Lorre:

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    Academic (Slavic and Comparative Literature)--http://www.davidagoldfarb.com

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    I really don't see how this 36 year old chart is relevant to modern photography as most of the films shown don't even exist anymore. The ones that do have almost certainly been reformulated to meet current environmental standards in Europe and the U.S.

    Manufacturing procedures have changed. Changes in coating technology would also have an effect on the results, just look at the difference in times for the new Plus-x and Tri-x. Dr5 says the new plus x looks much better in their process than it used to, and Kodak claims that they didn't reformulate it, just updated the film making equipment.

    So I guess if they were to re-create their tests using modern films and developers it would be a more useful chart, but in my opinion it's irrelevant.
    Scott Stadler

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    Well , Fingel, I think this sums it all up. Gentlemen, I'm off to the "Lens and Tripod" pub for a pint and perhaps a nice malt whisky and a cigar. Anybody care to join me?
    Digital is best taken with a grain of silver.

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    Not a smoker myself, but I'll have a Laphroaig, neat of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clogz
    Well , Fingel, I think this sums it all up. Gentlemen, I'm off to the "Lens and Tripod" pub for a pint and perhaps a nice malt whisky and a cigar. Anybody care to join me?
    On me way Hans, and I have the latest issue of The Rodinal Independant News under my arm

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    Think I'll have myself a small jar of Highland Park - with bit of Rodinal for my FP4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hansbeckert
    Can you say 'clear loser'?
    Does it really matter? Photography, like any other art form is subjective. If someone uses Rodinal and is happy with the end result, it shouldn't matter. If they want to test other developers, that is their choice; remember, not everyone wants to try something new. Some, just like to do things the way they have always done them, that's personal choice.

    BTW, I really don't have an opinion one way or another on Rodinal since I shoot 99.5% Velvia F100.
    Robert M. Teague
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    Quote Originally Posted by hansbeckert
    Are you interested in learning anything or not?
    Yes, I am, and as soon as you get your sorry behind out of the way, I can resume the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roteague
    Does it really matter? Photography, like any other art form is subjective. If someone uses Rodinal and is happy with the end result, it shouldn't matter. If they want to test other developers, that is their choice; remember, not everyone wants to try something new. Some, just like to do things the way they have always done them, that's personal choice.

    BTW, I really don't have an opinion one way or another on Rodinal since I shoot 99.5% Velvia F100.

    It matters only in that many people hear about Rodinal from others who never have bothered to try other developers, because they themselves heard about it from others who never bothered to try other developers.....etc. In other words, it's a cult following. The product is not 'best in class'.

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