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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelien View Post
    Well, AgfaPhoto brought back Vista and CT Precisa films... But only remained the name, the film is made in Japan, and is most probably Superia 200 for the Vista 200 and Provia 100F (with an extraordinary price) for the CT PRecisa.
    I think it is the same for APX400 ... Probably made somewhere in England with an emulsion known as Kentmere 400 ... Harman Technology is spreading this emulsion all over the world.
    We have to check...
    If it is Kentemere 400 then why does Mirko's published times for Rodinal:

    Kentmere:

    Kentmere 400 Rodinal 1+25 400 7.5mins 20C
    Kentmere 400 Rodinal 1+50 400 20mins 20C

    New APX times per Mirko:
    APX 400 NEW in Adonal (Rodinal) 1 +25: 11:30 minutes
    APX 400 NEW in Adonal (Rodinal) 1 +50: 21:00 minutes


    If the times are so varriant, then how can it be theoretically possible to be a Kentemere 400 clone when it's times are paradoxical?

    Is it theoretically possible that Kentemere or Agfa Belgium coated this but used the actual recipe for the old (pre-2003) APX 400....

    I want to be open minded here and will try it out, no matter where it was coated
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayne View Post
    I think it's kind of lame for them to be abusing the APX name for something that so much definitely isn't APX in any way.
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    Well I called a US distributor of Agfa film (Omegabrandess), they had no info re "lineage" of the films, though they have some APX 400 on order. I will try it out when it hits the street...
    Andy

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    Simon Galley has repeatedly said Harman doesn't use its films, Ilford or Kentmere, for other brands. They do custom coating as in the case of Rollei RPX films which are coated by them.
    There are still several factories in Europe very much capable of producing ISO 100 and 400 films. Inoviscoat, Orwo and Agfa Belgium are just some of them.
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    I think Simon was specific about the Ilford brand only. But my memory may not serve me well.

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    So if that is the case Ricardo, then how can some (ohhh Rich and Clayne) be so certain this isn't "the old APX 400 formula"? How can a coater (Orwo, Inoviscoat, et al.) not follow a recipe? Isn't is conceivable Rich/Clayne that Lupus hired out say Orwo or some other coater to make the old stuff? Silvermax was made by someone, couldn't the same stuff be coated and sold as Agfa APX 100 and 400?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miha View Post
    I think Simon was specific about the Ilford brand only. But my memory may not serve me well.
    +1. Simon draws a fine but important line between the brands Ilford and Kentmere. See the discontinuation of Kentmere Fineprint VC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricardo Miranda View Post
    Simon Galley has repeatedly said Harman doesn't use its films, Ilford or Kentmere, for other brands.
    link please?
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    I believe Simon said Ilford doesn't rebrand it's films. That doesn't mean that the parent company Harman doesn't rebrand Kentemere. Simon was very specific to Ilford but didn't mention Kentemere....

    I will look for the quote too....
    Andy

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    Isn't is conceivable Rich/Clayne that Lupus hired out say Orwo or some other coater to make the old stuff?
    I think that no one, not just us, can manufacture or remanufacture any 100 or 400 ASA film presently in a competitive way.
    Prices for film are so low that any cost above pure material, labour and energy are not covered.
    Remanufacturing an old formulation is in most cases as complex as to entirely develop a new film.

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