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    Hi Stone, I figured out the hardest part. Paterson core diameter is 25.5mm, wider centre hole on paterson reel is 32.5mm. Difference is 7mm. In my "project box" I just found 3.5mm thick copper wire. Wound it around centre core and it fits perfectly with wider centre hole of the reel and centre core. Now It looks like I have to glue top part to the centre core with crazy glue with 70mm film in the reel, to keep right distance. And even Paterson "loading" move is still OK. Only drawback is that I will have one Paterson dedicated reel and centre core just for 116 format.

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    WTB stainless steel developing reel for 116/616/70mm film

    Sounds like a plan, you can also just take 1 reel, then take HALF of the second reel, turn it around and stack them, for some reason the distance this creates is exactly 70mm which is just a coincidence, it works I've tried it, but when I learned this trick I had already owned a 116 tank so I've never used it all the way through so not sure now much agitation it can take. Good luck!


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    It would seem my request has stirred a bit of discussion. That's good!

    Just to clarify, the type reel I am after is the one for the standard 116/616 film length, not the wider one with the longer spiral. There is still a small question of whether I need not just the reel, but a tank too. Does the standard stainless steel 120 tank work for these? I assumed so, and actually just made a quick measurement to insure my tanks can accommodate the extra height of the taller reel (it would seem they can). Of course I am assuming the reel diameter is basically the same on these as 120, 127, and 35mm sizes, but maybe I should find that out for sure.

    It is really hard to get a reference point on the price here. I saw the one on eBay a while back with the BIN price of $75. I think that there was also a long-roll type 70mm reel and tank that went for $41 (again, not what I want but maybe useful for comparison). This seems pretty high given that good used 120 reels sometimes go for as little as a few bucks these days. But I suppose the relative scarcity of the 116 size reels comes into play here. In any event, Stone I am sending you a PM with an offer. Hopefully it won't be too insulting!

    My history with this may be instructive for the others who are looking. Originally, I purchased an old-style Paterson Universal tank that comes with a plastic reel expandable to 116 size. The tank itself is a real beauty, made of bakelite I think. But I can vouch for what was said earlier about these, that they cannot be inverted (they will leak), and are designed for the twirl stick agitation approach instead. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but I am just used to inversion. The second thing I discovered is that this one takes quite a long time to empty through it's little spout - significantly longer than even my stainless steel tanks. So something to think about. Yet another issue is the fact that the plastic reel is wider than my stainless steel ones. This wouldn't be a problem in and of itself, but I have become quite fond of drying my rolls with a Senrac Rapid Roll Film Dryer, and it only accepts stainless steel reels. I eventually got the idea of fabricating an extension tube for the Senrac so that if I ever HAD to, I could also dry plastic reels; but the other issues with the old tank were enough for me to seek a different solution.

    My second effort was to purchase a more modern Paterson tank system, and then modify the reels to accommodate the taller film. For what it's worth, I DID play around with the idea that you can stack the reel halves in a certain way and get the correct spacing without having to do any modification of the reels. And, yes, that does work! But it didn't seem especially secure to me when assembled that way. In the end, I decided to permanently bond two reel halves together, and thus turn them into a single dedicated 116 reel. This basically worked as it was supposed to - it fits the film size correctly, the reel still ratchets and all, and it should be usable for any one who normally likes plastic reels. But I had problems with using it. Granted, part of that is just me and my relative inexperience with plastic (being a stainless steel fan). But some of it was the extra width of the 116 film (compared to 120) which I think makes it a little harder to work with. Most importantly though, the characteristics of the found film I am usually working with seems to make life more difficult too. These old rolls tend to be more brittle, and also tend to have quite a bit if curl, or "set" from having been on a spool for so long. It just seemed like a real pain to get the old film to load properly, making it's way over the bearings, and smoothly around the spiral without incident. So that's where I am with this - looking for a stainless steel reel. If I ever obtain one, I think I may just give away the modified plastic reel I built (for the cost of shipping), if anyone wants it.

    Jeff

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    WTB stainless steel developing reel for 116/616/70mm film

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    It would seem my request has stirred a bit of discussion. That's good!

    Just to clarify, the type reel I am after is the one for the standard 116/616 film length, not the wider one with the longer spiral. There is still a small question of whether I need not just the reel, but a tank too. Does the standard stainless steel 120 tank work for these? I assumed so, and actually just made a quick measurement to insure my tanks can accommodate the extra height of the taller reel (it would seem they can). Of course I am assuming the reel diameter is basically the same on these as 120, 127, and 35mm sizes, but maybe I should find that out for sure.

    It is really hard to get a reference point on the price here. I saw the one on eBay a while back with the BIN price of $75. I think that there was also a long-roll type 70mm reel and tank that went for $41 (again, not what I want but maybe useful for comparison). This seems pretty high given that good used 120 reels sometimes go for as little as a few bucks these days. But I suppose the relative scarcity of the 116 size reels comes into play here. In any event, Stone I am sending you a PM with an offer. Hopefully it won't be too insulting!

    My history with this may be instructive for the others who are looking. Originally, I purchased an old-style Paterson Universal tank that comes with a plastic reel expandable to 116 size. The tank itself is a real beauty, made of bakelite I think. But I can vouch for what was said earlier about these, that they cannot be inverted (they will leak), and are designed for the twirl stick agitation approach instead. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but I am just used to inversion. The second thing I discovered is that this one takes quite a long time to empty through it's little spout - significantly longer than even my stainless steel tanks. So something to think about. Yet another issue is the fact that the plastic reel is wider than my stainless steel ones. This wouldn't be a problem in and of itself, but I have become quite fond of drying my rolls with a Senrac Rapid Roll Film Dryer, and it only accepts stainless steel reels. I eventually got the idea of fabricating an extension tube for the Senrac so that if I ever HAD to, I could also dry plastic reels; but the other issues with the old tank were enough for me to seek a different solution.

    My second effort was to purchase a more modern Paterson tank system, and then modify the reels to accommodate the taller film. For what it's worth, I DID play around with the idea that you can stack the reel halves in a certain way and get the correct spacing without having to do any modification of the reels. And, yes, that does work! But it didn't seem especially secure to me when assembled that way. In the end, I decided to permanently bond two reel halves together, and thus turn them into a single dedicated 116 reel. This basically worked as it was supposed to - it fits the film size correctly, the reel still ratchets and all, and it should be usable for any one who normally likes plastic reels. But I had problems with using it. Granted, part of that is just me and my relative inexperience with plastic (being a stainless steel fan). But some of it was the extra width of the 116 film (compared to 120) which I think makes it a little harder to work with. Most importantly though, the characteristics of the found film I am usually working with seems to make life more difficult too. These old rolls tend to be more brittle, and also tend to have quite a bit if curl, or "set" from having been on a spool for so long. It just seemed like a real pain to get the old film to load properly, making it's way over the bearings, and smoothly around the spiral without incident. So that's where I am with this - looking for a stainless steel reel. If I ever obtain one, I think I may just give away the modified plastic reel I built (for the cost of shipping), if anyone wants it.

    Jeff
    Did they even make a SS reel for 116? I've never seen one...

    I'm shocked you say $46 for 70mm tank and spiral, I expect to pay over $300 for one ... So far no one is bidding against me, I really hope no one does, but I expect the price to go crazy high if someone bids against me :/ *crossed fingers*

    Anyway yea I agree the plastic spinning ones are often not invertible... However I did find one that is at least self loading... The ansco one...


    The FR I have isn't very good, it's VERY hard to load and I don't recommend it...



    Lastly. I recently picked up an unknown, it was sort of one of those fortuitous situations where the seller had no clue but I suspected it was more adjustable than the listed sizes...

    It doesn't do 116, but it does do APX/110 !!!! And IS invertible...
    Never heard of the brand... "Universal Kustom Photographic" yes with a K...
    I know that last one is OT but maybe they made a 116 version? It's "semi" self loading, basically you use your fingers like a ball bearing, it rotates so you can shimmy the film in... Can't wait to actually use it but I don't own a 110 camera and all APX is C-41... But it was cheap and an opportunity that doesn't come along often. I digress a lot

    I think you have to stick with the plastic for now and just keep an eye out for a 116 SS spiral...


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    Hi Jeff,
    thank you for starting a discussion! You nailed problem with old and stubborn, curly & dry film rolls. That is reason why I would like to do "firmer set up"/glued with Paterson reel. Did you cut corners of the film before loading? Just a bit to take off that 90 degrees, for easier loading. I always do it with all 35mm and 120/127 films? On other hand, 70mm film I'm currently using is very soft for handling, way softer than regular 120 and still, I do not have any problem loading it in SS reel.
    I will still check what kind of vintage 116 processing tank I can find here, locally in Vancouver.
    Stone, Thank you for details about FR and Ansco tanks. I will not worry too much about lack of modern features on old tanks and lack of liquid tightness. I do not process 70mm every day and I'm fine with ghetto method of processing film on the reel in dark in open deep dish. Hey, It's poor man dip and dunk processor!
    I always have ruler with me when I go to Camera swap meetings. I'm sure they made 116 SS reels. We just need to look around more! Film was manufactured until recently, well, until 20-30 years ago.
    Last week I went to the store where I bought my 70mm long reel and they didn't have any more left but they had 2 brand new, still in the box Nikor 3.5" x100' reels. Never heard of 3.5" film? 5" film, yes.

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    Hi Guys, I just checked original Instruction that came with Nikor tank. Yes, they made 116 format SS reels!!! And 118 and 122 formats too! Did anybody make some "serious" 116 format camera, beside Kodak folders??
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    WTB stainless steel developing reel for 116/616/70mm film

    Quote Originally Posted by gorbas View Post
    Hi Guys, I just checked original Instruction that came with Nikor tank. Yes, they made 116 format SS reels!!! And 118 and 122 formats too! Did anybody make some "serious" 116 format camera, beside Kodak folders??
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    I've never even seen a 118 or 122 film size camera before... Is this one of those formats that became sheet film? I know some larger roll film was converted to sheet film because the convenience of roll film storage was outweighed by film that was too curly but they liked the size and so started making sheets for the same size. Is this the case?

    I don't think they had "serious" cameras in the terms you are thinking... A Kodak folder WAS serious back then, some of them. The Autographic Folder I have for 120 and 116 is super fancy with lots of "features" like B and T and I that's 3 options! I think the instant (I) was the fanciest of the features and an f stop range from f/7.5 to f/45!!! Wow!

    The fancier of the two also has 1/25 and 1/100 as a shutter speed option. This was a later model.

    How we view cameras today is different than people would from back then. Owning a Kodak when they first came out was like buying a professional model Canon or Nikon for ($3,000) today's money. A lot to spend I think. It was certainly a luxury item. People weren't so entitled to have EVERYTHING as we are today because it wasn't a consumer economy until the 1950's.


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    Nice explanation Stone! Thank you!
    Then I already have top of the line 116 camera! I'm richer than I thought!
    German made FD with Rodenstock lens and fancy Compur shutter.
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    WTB stainless steel developing reel for 116/616/70mm film

    Quote Originally Posted by gorbas View Post
    Nice explanation Stone! Thank you!
    Then I already have top of the line 116 camera! I'm richer than I thought!
    German made FD with Rodenstock lens and fancy Compur shutter.
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    Wow that's MUCH nicer than mine many more options and better glass, however I suspect this is from the 1930-1950's? Mine is from 1910's a lot of advancement happened with later lens designs...


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    Thank you Stone!
    This camera must be made before or during IIWW.
    We didn't have many amateur West German cameras imported in the Yugoslavia after 1945.
    For official use we had lots of Leicas, Rolleiflex's, Linhofs and Arri cameras, most likely received as war reparations from Germany.
    You can see some of the pictures taken with this camera on 70mm film on my Flickr.
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